ACK!!! GAS STATION WROTE DOWN...

[squirrelgirl]

DH'S driver's license number!!!! DH does not frequent the boards, but he knows I spend some (ok, a lot) of time on here. He was asking me why a GAS STATION (and not a hole in the wall one either) would not only ask for ID, but WRITE down his driver's license number on their copy of the receipt! His receipt also had his full name, full CC #, and expiration date. *sigh*

 

REPORTED... (and for $6.68 worth of bad food at a gas station).

 

UGH.

[soldiergurl74]

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

[squirrelgirl]

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

 

Are you serious?!

 

You can post your DL on here if you'd like, I'm sure no one here could do anything with your information either.

[preezie]

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

 

 

I had someone open up a checking account, credit card accounts, and wrote several bad checks from my license alone (and the SS Number is not the ID number in Michigan). In 1997 someone stole my license out of the mail (back when ID theft was not commonplace) and it's been hell since things since pop up from time to time. Back then they had no law or regulations in place and the detective that got a hold of this tip (the person was in Florida, I lived in DC and never have been to florida longer than a week in my life) and was handling my case really didn't know what to do or say since he didn't have the person in custody. Oh, and when I went to First Union (now Wachovia) to find out when the person opened the account, etc, they wrote down a fake social security number!! They stated that they put in whatever SS# the person puts down and there is no name on the report, just the report itself. So I am very careful with ALL INFORMATION because it doesn't matter if they don't have your social security number.

[soldiergurl74]

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

 

Are you serious?!

 

You can post your DL on here if you'd like, I'm sure no one here could do anything with your information either.

 

 

Relax, I am just asking the question.... Besides making a fake license with the number on it, what else is a DL number good for?

 

also, those guys at the store sounded pretty stupid. What would they need your DL number for? I don't get it.

[BBQ123]

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

 

Are you serious?!

 

You can post your DL on here if you'd like, I'm sure no one here could do anything with your information either.

 

Actually sometimes it is needed to open bank accounts or pay via eCheck.

 

As for writing it down that is a violation (asking for his ID was the actual violation)... and it may be illegal to write down the info.

 

The gas station is stupid because if he did a chargeback and they tried to prove that he was there via the DL#, then they'd end up fined for violation.

[GEORGE]

DH'S driver's license number!!!! DH does not frequent the boards, but he knows I spend some (ok, a lot) of time on here. He was asking me why a GAS STATION (and not a hole in the wall one either) would not only ask for ID, but WRITE down his driver's license number on their copy of the receipt! His receipt also had his full name, full CC #, and expiration date. *sigh*

 

REPORTED... (and for $6.68 worth of bad food at a gas station).

 

UGH.

ANOTHER CREDIT CARD VIOLATION

 

ASKING FOR THE ID IS ONE VIOLATION

 

RECORDING IT ON THE RECEIPT IS A SECOND VIOLATION

Edited June 14, 2006 by GEORGE

[squirrelgirl]

DH'S driver's license number!!!! DH does not frequent the boards, but he knows I spend some (ok, a lot) of time on here. He was asking me why a GAS STATION (and not a hole in the wall one either) would not only ask for ID, but WRITE down his driver's license number on their copy of the receipt! His receipt also had his full name, full CC #, and expiration date. *sigh*

 

REPORTED... (and for $6.68 worth of bad food at a gas station).

 

UGH.

ANOTHER CREDIT CARD VIOLATION

 

ASKING FOR THE ID IS ONE VIOLATION

 

RECORDING IT ON THE RECEIPT IS A SECOND VIOLATION

 

They've been reported. Citi/MC has asked that we go back to the store in 30 days to see if this practice is still in effect.

 

Not sure if that means they have been fined or not.

 

Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

Edited June 15, 2006 by squirrelgirl

[GEORGE]

DH'S driver's license number!!!! DH does not frequent the boards, but he knows I spend some (ok, a lot) of time on here. He was asking me why a GAS STATION (and not a hole in the wall one either) would not only ask for ID, but WRITE down his driver's license number on their copy of the receipt! His receipt also had his full name, full CC #, and expiration date. *sigh*

 

REPORTED... (and for $6.68 worth of bad food at a gas station).

 

UGH.

ANOTHER CREDIT CARD VIOLATION

 

ASKING FOR THE ID IS ONE VIOLATION

 

RECORDING IT ON THE RECEIPT IS A SECOND VIOLATION

 

They've been reported. Citi/MC has asked that we go back to the store in 30 days to see if this practice is still in effect.

 

Not sure if that means they have been fined or not.

 

Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

Sounds more like a LETTER OF REPRIMAND

 

(along with a copy of the rules)

[soldiergurl74]

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

 

Are you serious?!

 

You can post your DL on here if you'd like, I'm sure no one here could do anything with your information either.

 

Actually sometimes it is needed to open bank accounts or pay via eCheck.

 

As for writing it down that is a violation (asking for his ID was the actual violation)... and it may be illegal to write down the info.

 

The gas station is stupid because if he did a chargeback and they tried to prove that he was there via the DL#, then they'd end up fined for violation.

 

 

 

Right, but even if it is needed, you cannot obtain credit or anything by ONLY having the DL number. It is one small piece of information (assuming the clerk was a thief) needed

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want my DL number written down, that is why the ID never leaves my hand.

[BBQ123]

DH'S driver's license number!!!! DH does not frequent the boards, but he knows I spend some (ok, a lot) of time on here. He was asking me why a GAS STATION (and not a hole in the wall one either) would not only ask for ID, but WRITE down his driver's license number on their copy of the receipt! His receipt also had his full name, full CC #, and expiration date. *sigh*

 

REPORTED... (and for $6.68 worth of bad food at a gas station).

 

UGH.

ANOTHER CREDIT CARD VIOLATION

 

ASKING FOR THE ID IS ONE VIOLATION

 

RECORDING IT ON THE RECEIPT IS A SECOND VIOLATION

 

They've been reported. Citi/MC has asked that we go back to the store in 30 days to see if this practice is still in effect.

 

Not sure if that means they have been fined or not.

 

Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

Sounds more like a LETTER OF REPRIMAND

 

(along with a copy of the rules)

 

I hope they get a letter of reprimand AND a fine.

 

If it was just ID checking, a warning would be fine. But since they are recording the data, they should be fined.

 

 

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

 

Are you serious?!

 

You can post your DL on here if you'd like, I'm sure no one here could do anything with your information either.

 

Actually sometimes it is needed to open bank accounts or pay via eCheck.

 

As for writing it down that is a violation (asking for his ID was the actual violation)... and it may be illegal to write down the info.

 

The gas station is stupid because if he did a chargeback and they tried to prove that he was there via the DL#, then they'd end up fined for violation.

 

 

 

Right, but even if it is needed, you cannot obtain credit or anything by ONLY having the DL number. It is one small piece of information (assuming the clerk was a thief) needed

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want my DL number written down, that is why the ID never leaves my hand.

 

What happens if they ask you to hand over the ID?

 

When I worked retail if we had an unsigned card [or someone paying by check] we were supposed to check the driver's license to make sure it was not a counterfiet/fake (basically you hold it and move it at an angle to check if a couple security features are there). Of course, on a signed card, we were explicity told to NOT ask for ID (as the company didn't want to get itself fined.)

 

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

Edited June 15, 2006 by BBQ123

[Uncle Leo]

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

 

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

[BBQ123]

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

 

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

 

A fake ID can be made in a matter of minutes. In fact you could fit the equipment to do this in a car (though a van is better). Printer, laptop, some blank stock...

[Uncle Leo]

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

 

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

A fake ID can be made in a matter of minutes. In fact you could fit the equipment to do this in a car (though a van is better). Printer, laptop, some blank stock...

 

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

This reminds me about a conversation I had with someone about "the Club" once. (It's an anti-theft device that goes on your steering wheel when parked) They said "all you need is some liquid nitrogen and a hammer" as if it was so easy as to render the club ineffectual. Let's get real. How many people carry liquid nitrogen around in their pockets? Same here. Let's get real... how many people do you think carry around all the stuff necessary to make fake IDs on the spot?

 

You gotta come up with something better than that.

Edited June 15, 2006 by playthecreditgame

[GrimRepo]

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

 

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

A fake ID can be made in a matter of minutes. In fact you could fit the equipment to do this in a car (though a van is better). Printer, laptop, some blank stock...

 

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

This reminds me about a conversation I had with someone about "the Club" once. (It's an anti-theft device that goes on your steering wheel when parked) They said "all you need is some liquid nitrogen and a hammer" as if it was so easy as to render the club ineffectual. Let's get real. How many people carry liquid nitrogen around in their pockets? Same here. Let's get real... how many people do you think carry around all the stuff necessary to make fake IDs on the spot?

 

You gotta come up with something better than that.

 

OK, pick a college campus. Any college. Grim would bet 70% of the time you could find someone on campus who had the knowhow and supplies to make fake ID's.

[Uncle Leo]

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

 

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

A fake ID can be made in a matter of minutes. In fact you could fit the equipment to do this in a car (though a van is better). Printer, laptop, some blank stock...

 

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

This reminds me about a conversation I had with someone about "the Club" once. (It's an anti-theft device that goes on your steering wheel when parked) They said "all you need is some liquid nitrogen and a hammer" as if it was so easy as to render the club ineffectual. Let's get real. How many people carry liquid nitrogen around in their pockets? Same here. Let's get real... how many people do you think carry around all the stuff necessary to make fake IDs on the spot?

 

You gotta come up with something better than that.

OK, pick a college campus. Any college. Grim would bet 70% of the time you could find someone on campus who had the knowhow and supplies to make fake ID's.

 

That's great... but totally irrelevant and doesn't address at all BBQ's implication that it's common for people to have this equipment in their own possession.

[genseeker]

I saw something in the news one time about a group of people who got busted with personal info for a lot of people. This group consisted of wait staff, cashiers and people in similar jobs that would have them handling Cc and/or IDs. This group was not making fake IDs, they were selling the info to people who made fake ID for illegals. One of the people got a reduced sentence in exchange for testifying and setting up the actual counterfeiters.

[GEORGE]

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

 

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

A fake ID can be made in a matter of minutes. In fact you could fit the equipment to do this in a car (though a van is better). Printer, laptop, some blank stock...

 

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

This reminds me about a conversation I had with someone about "the Club" once. (It's an anti-theft device that goes on your steering wheel when parked) They said "all you need is some liquid nitrogen and a hammer" as if it was so easy as to render the club ineffectual. Let's get real. How many people carry liquid nitrogen around in their pockets? Same here. Let's get real... how many people do you think carry around all the stuff necessary to make fake IDs on the spot?

 

You gotta come up with something better than that.

 

OK, pick a college campus. Any college. Grim would bet 70% of the time you could find someone on campus who had the knowhow and supplies to make fake ID's.

THE BOOZE JOINTS CAN GET SOME DRIVERS LICENSE AUTHENTICATOR FOR THE ENTRANCE DOOR

 

(must not be real hard to get a FAKE LICENSE)

 

They told about it in the newspaper

[werkin@fixin]

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

 

Here's a good one - I have right now in my pocket - I use a money clip/ CC holder and it has a window on the front for ID. I took my DL and copied it on my color scanner - then I whited out all the info except name, signature, Sex, Ht, Eyes

 

no DL #, address, or DOB on it.

 

then I copied it again. Cut out and placed into window if the money clip.

 

I've showed it every time I've been asked for ID when using a credit card for the last 2 months. NOT ONE CLERK HAS NOTICED IT'S INCOMPLETE!

 

I could have printed it on the stock as our DL's are here - but it's just on copy paper!

 

Anyone could take their DL - white out all the info - and put in any info they want, take a CC in the same name they put on the DL they doctor up, and I'll bet 99.9% of the time clerks wouldn't question it.

 

Next time I do my id I'm gonna change the printed name (leave my signature) to

Art U. Readingthis and see if they notice that!

 

I'll bet it passes 9 out of 10 times. (I also have my real DL inside one of the CC slots) and before someone says it's illegal - no it's not, I'm not trying to use the copy as legal ID or to hide my idenity.

 

I had seen all the post here on showing / not showing ID and I just decided to run my own little test.

 

passed at the following stores:

Kroger

Sears

Wal-mart

Home Depot

Lowes

Radio Shack

JC Penny

Macy's

USPS

Best Buy

Comp USA

Office Depot

Office Max

All local conv. stores

and some others that I can't remember right now.

[GEORGE]

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

 

Here's a good one - I have right now in my pocket - I use a money clip/ CC holder and it has a window on the front for ID. I took my DL and copied it on my color scanner - then I whited out all the info except name, signature, Sex, Ht, Eyes

 

no DL #, address, or DOB on it.

 

then I copied it again. Cut out and placed into window if the money clip.

 

I've showed it every time I've been asked for ID when using a credit card for the last 2 months. NOT ONE CLERK HAS NOTICED IT'S INCOMPLETE!

 

I could have printed it on the stock as our DL's are here - but it's just on copy paper!

 

Anyone could take their DL - white out all the info - and put in any info they want, take a CC in the same name they put on the DL they doctor up, and I'll bet 99.9% of the time clerks wouldn't question it.

 

Next time I do my id I'm gonna change the printed name (leave my signature) to

Art U. Readingthis and see if they notice that!

 

I'll bet it passes 9 out of 10 times. (I also have my real DL inside one of the CC slots) and before someone says it's illegal - no it's not, I'm not trying to use the copy as legal ID or to hide my idenity.

 

I had seen all the post here on showing / not showing ID and I just decided to run my own little test.

 

passed at the following stores:

Kroger

Sears

Wal-mart

Home Depot

Lowes

Radio Shack

JC Penny

Macy's

USPS

Best Buy

Comp USA

Office Depot

Office Max

All local conv. stores

and some others that I can't remember right now.

A LOT OF WORK FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW IN THE FIRST PLACE

[werkin@fixin]

well actually it took less than 5 min to make. took me longer to type the post. I have an Epson AIO unit - one touch copy - used white out - one touch copy - cut out.

 

Like I said it was a test, I was really wondering if clerks really looked.

 

So for all the folks that think showing ID makes them safer - No it doesn't.

 

And George - I agree that we shouldn't show ID - and I have walked more than once when a merchant said they "Had to have ID" - If there's no line behind me I might would argue my point, but otherwise I tell them "NO" and leave the stuff sitting there. Like I said this was just a test - I was really wondering what would happen. I also a lot of time cover the picture with my finger - I only had one ask me to move my finger so they could see the picture - Kinda strange they didn't notice the big blank spot for the DL # and other missing info.

[BBQ123]

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

 

Here's a good one - I have right now in my pocket - I use a money clip/ CC holder and it has a window on the front for ID. I took my DL and copied it on my color scanner - then I whited out all the info except name, signature, Sex, Ht, Eyes

 

no DL #, address, or DOB on it.

 

then I copied it again. Cut out and placed into window if the money clip.

 

I've showed it every time I've been asked for ID when using a credit card for the last 2 months. NOT ONE CLERK HAS NOTICED IT'S INCOMPLETE!

 

I could have printed it on the stock as our DL's are here - but it's just on copy paper!

 

Anyone could take their DL - white out all the info - and put in any info they want, take a CC in the same name they put on the DL they doctor up, and I'll bet 99.9% of the time clerks wouldn't question it.

 

Next time I do my id I'm gonna change the printed name (leave my signature) to

Art U. Readingthis and see if they notice that!

 

I'll bet it passes 9 out of 10 times. (I also have my real DL inside one of the CC slots) and before someone says it's illegal - no it's not, I'm not trying to use the copy as legal ID or to hide my idenity.

 

I had seen all the post here on showing / not showing ID and I just decided to run my own little test.

 

passed at the following stores:

Kroger

Sears

Wal-mart

Home Depot

Lowes

Radio Shack

JC Penny

Macy's

USPS

Best Buy

Comp USA

Office Depot

Office Max

All local conv. stores

and some others that I can't remember right now.

 

So looks like the fake ID worked. and to top it off if he was a thief he could just tell the clerk they are required to take the card without ID and they store would have to take it because their merchant agreement requires them to.

[soldiergurl74]

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

 

Here's a good one - I have right now in my pocket - I use a money clip/ CC holder and it has a window on the front for ID. I took my DL and copied it on my color scanner - then I whited out all the info except name, signature, Sex, Ht, Eyes

 

no DL #, address, or DOB on it.

 

then I copied it again. Cut out and placed into window if the money clip.

 

I've showed it every time I've been asked for ID when using a credit card for the last 2 months. NOT ONE CLERK HAS NOTICED IT'S INCOMPLETE!

 

I could have printed it on the stock as our DL's are here - but it's just on copy paper!

 

Anyone could take their DL - white out all the info - and put in any info they want, take a CC in the same name they put on the DL they doctor up, and I'll bet 99.9% of the time clerks wouldn't question it.

 

Next time I do my id I'm gonna change the printed name (leave my signature) to

Art U. Readingthis and see if they notice that!

 

I'll bet it passes 9 out of 10 times. (I also have my real DL inside one of the CC slots) and before someone says it's illegal - no it's not, I'm not trying to use the copy as legal ID or to hide my idenity.

 

I had seen all the post here on showing / not showing ID and I just decided to run my own little test.

 

passed at the following stores:

Kroger

Sears

Wal-mart

Home Depot

Lowes

Radio Shack

JC Penny

Macy's

USPS

Best Buy

Comp USA

Office Depot

Office Max

All local conv. stores

and some others that I can't remember right now.

 

So looks like the fake ID worked. and to top it off if he was a thief he could just tell the clerk they are required to take the card without ID and they store would have to take it because their merchant agreement requires them to.

 

 

would have taken less time than that to forge a signature that they never look at.

 

See the zug.com prank again.

[GEORGE]

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

 

 

Here's a good one - I have right now in my pocket - I use a money clip/ CC holder and it has a window on the front for ID. I took my DL and copied it on my color scanner - then I whited out all the info except name, signature, Sex, Ht, Eyes

 

no DL #, address, or DOB on it.

 

then I copied it again. Cut out and placed into window if the money clip.

 

I've showed it every time I've been asked for ID when using a credit card for the last 2 months. NOT ONE CLERK HAS NOTICED IT'S INCOMPLETE!

 

I could have printed it on the stock as our DL's are here - but it's just on copy paper!

 

Anyone could take their DL - white out all the info - and put in any info they want, take a CC in the same name they put on the DL they doctor up, and I'll bet 99.9% of the time clerks wouldn't question it.

 

Next time I do my id I'm gonna change the printed name (leave my signature) to

Art U. Readingthis and see if they notice that!

 

I'll bet it passes 9 out of 10 times. (I also have my real DL inside one of the CC slots) and before someone says it's illegal - no it's not, I'm not trying to use the copy as legal ID or to hide my idenity.

 

I had seen all the post here on showing / not showing ID and I just decided to run my own little test.

 

passed at the following stores:

Kroger

Sears

Wal-mart

Home Depot

Lowes

Radio Shack

JC Penny

Macy's

USPS

Best Buy

Comp USA

Office Depot

Office Max

All local conv. stores

and some others that I can't remember right now.

 

So looks like the fake ID worked. and to top it off if he was a thief he could just tell the clerk they are required to take the card without ID and they store would have to take it because their merchant agreement requires them to.

 

 

would have taken less time than that to forge a signature that they never look at.

 

See the zug.com prank again.

LETS NOT...AND SAY WE DID

[EyKay]

I was just about to post a thread on this same topic.

 

Went to the local BMW parts counter two days ago. The jerks have the nerve to POST A SIGN that says "FOR YOUR PROTECTION, ID WILL BE REQUIRED AND RECORDED FOR ALL CREDIT CARDS AND CHECKS."

 

THEN the same jerks WRITE the info on the CC receipt!!! I complained about it to the cashier who said, it's for your protection. I explained how it's not, but didn't want to get TOO heated cause they have the best prices in a LARGE radius and I already had my sunroof ripped off, lol.

 

I'll call VISA first since it was on my BofA, then make some courtesy calls to my other CC issuers about the nice little sign