The Pros and Cons of Buying a Chevy

[hegemony]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/your-mon...;ref=your-money

[LBCS]

Bottom line: Too risky.

[hurricanesfans27]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

[hegemony]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

 

 

WHY NOT BUY A TOYOTA MADE IN USA?

[hurricanesfans27]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

 

 

WHY NOT BUY A TOYOTA MADE IN USA?

 

 

because Chevy is better

[hegemony]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

 

 

WHY NOT BUY A TOYOTA MADE IN USA?

 

 

because Chevy is better

 

 

not in my book. but I will buy a volt if it turns out as nice as I've read.

[hurricanesfans27]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

 

 

WHY NOT BUY A TOYOTA MADE IN USA?

 

 

because Chevy is better

 

 

not in my book. but I will buy a volt if it turns out as nice as I've read.

 

in my book it is. toyota just doesnt make any cars that appeal to me. their truck is good but nothing like an F150 or a Ram truck. but when it comes to chevy toyota has nothing that compares to a malibu or a vette or a camaro.

[hegemony]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

 

 

WHY NOT BUY A TOYOTA MADE IN USA?

 

 

because Chevy is better

 

 

not in my book. but I will buy a volt if it turns out as nice as I've read.

 

in my book it is. toyota just doesnt make any cars that appeal to me. their truck is good but nothing like an F150 or a Ram truck. but when it comes to chevy toyota has nothing that compares to a malibu or a vette or a camaro.

 

I don't need a sports car so the vette and camaro are out for me. I had a Mailbu a couple years ago for a rental and it drove like a water buffalo.

[hurricanesfans27]

Id rather buy a chevy than any import.

 

 

WHY NOT BUY A TOYOTA MADE IN USA?

 

 

because Chevy is better

 

 

not in my book. but I will buy a volt if it turns out as nice as I've read.

 

in my book it is. toyota just doesnt make any cars that appeal to me. their truck is good but nothing like an F150 or a Ram truck. but when it comes to chevy toyota has nothing that compares to a malibu or a vette or a camaro.

 

I don't need a sports car so the vette and camaro are out for me. I had a Mailbu a couple years ago for a rental and it drove like a water buffalo.

 

 

 

a camry has no pickup at all. it cant even get out of its own way. I literally thought when I was driving it up the grapevine I was going to have to get out and push that POS. I never have to worry about it in a malibu or my impala or soon to be my camaro.

[Kevin20]

I wouldn't touch a GM or Chrysler vehicle with a 10-foot pole.

 

But if you have a fetish for domestic-branded cars, please by all means buy a Ford. They are not sucking at the government teat.

[hurricanesfans27]

I wouldn't touch a GM or Chrysler vehicle with a 10-foot pole.

 

But if you have a fetish for domestic-branded cars, please by all means buy a Ford. They are not sucking at the government teat.

 

 

so i guess that means you wouldnt be buying any foreign jobs either since all those companies have been on the government teat for decades now.

[hegemony]

I wouldn't touch a GM or Chrysler vehicle with a 10-foot pole.

 

But if you have a fetish for domestic-branded cars, please by all means buy a Ford. They are not sucking at the government teat.

 

 

so i guess that means you wouldnt be buying any foreign jobs either since all those companies have been on the government teat for decades now.

 

 

why do I have a desire for ice cream or a Dolly Parton movie right now?

[smart1n]

I wouldn't touch a GM or Chrysler vehicle with a 10-foot pole.

 

But if you have a fetish for domestic-branded cars, please by all means buy a Ford. They are not sucking at the government teat.

 

 

Yes everyone please go out an buy Fords so I can make more money on the stock

[radi8]

Bottom line: Too risky.

 

If GM disappears the feds have already announced they'll cover the warranties.

What happens if Toyota or one of the other import brands disappear? You will find out what Daewoo owners already know- that nobody honors the warranties and parts are nearly impossible to get. (Daewoo folded in 2002, parts did not become available in the US again until 2005)

That happening is not exactly an impossibility, particularly if one of the big 3 go under first.

[hurricanesfans27]

Bottom line: Too risky.

 

 

 

whats so risky? if anything its far safer now than before. and the cars are much safer than any import to begin with.

[Kevin20]

I wouldn't touch a GM or Chrysler vehicle with a 10-foot pole.

 

But if you have a fetish for domestic-branded cars, please by all means buy a Ford. They are not sucking at the government teat.

 

 

so i guess that means you wouldnt be buying any foreign jobs either since all those companies have been on the government teat for decades now.

 

Well no, I'm not talking about the occasional research tax credit or whatever you might be imagining, I'm referring to the fact that GM and Chrysler both spectacularly failed as businesses in their own home markets, and operate today ONLY because of unprecedented multi-billion dollar taxpayer bailouts to continue to stay in business. Nothing remotely on that scale has ever happened with any other car company in the world, unless you count the first Chrysler bailout in the 1980s -- something that we clearly see now to have been a horrible mistake.

 

The fact is that for now and in the future the continued existence of GM dealers and GM warranty service is 100% dependent on politicians choosing to prop them up. Not a bet I'd make.

Edited April 26, 2009 by Kevin20

[hurricanesfans27]

I wouldn't touch a GM or Chrysler vehicle with a 10-foot pole.

 

But if you have a fetish for domestic-branded cars, please by all means buy a Ford. They are not sucking at the government teat.

 

 

so i guess that means you wouldnt be buying any foreign jobs either since all those companies have been on the government teat for decades now.

 

Well no, I'm not talking about the occasional research tax credit or whatever you might be imagining, I'm referring to the fact that GM and Chrysler both spectacularly failed as businesses in their own home markets, and operate today ONLY because of unprecedented multi-billion dollar taxpayer bailouts to continue to stay in business. Nothing remotely on that scale has ever happened with any other car company in the world, unless you count the first Chrysler bailout in the 1980s -- something that we now see clearly now to have been a horrible mistake.

 

The fact is that for now and in the future the continued existence of GM dealers and GM warranty service is 100% dependent on politicians choosing to prop them up. Not a bet I'd make.

 

 

Im not talking about the occasional tax credit either. Im talking about foreign governments subsidizing foreign companies to the tune of billions every single year. Japan and Germany as well as Korea now have been doing it for decades. No one remembers the fact that Kia and Hyundai went bankrupt in the 90s and were supported by the Seoul government till they got back on their feet and even now they are being supported by them. As far as buying a GM car or even a Chrysler product I wouldnt have a problem at all since in my opinion they are superior to the japanese product and far more comfortable. No one remembers what happened when Daewoo or Fiat left the country. If you wanted warranty work done you were SOL. That wouldnt happen with GM or Chrysler.

 

 

While we are at it since we dont want to support the domestics lets take away the billions that the imports are getting by having their factories here. All the state governments are subsidizing them as we speak so we should end them as well.

[Kevin20]

Im not talking about the occasional tax credit either. Im talking about foreign governments subsidizing foreign companies to the tune of billions every single year. Japan and Germany as well as Korea now have been doing it for decades. No one remembers the fact that Kia and Hyundai went bankrupt in the 90s and were supported by the Seoul government till they got back on their feet and even now they are being supported by them. As far as buying a GM car or even a Chrysler product I wouldnt have a problem at all since in my opinion they are superior to the japanese product and far more comfortable. No one remembers what happened when Daewoo or Fiat left the country. If you wanted warranty work done you were SOL. That wouldnt happen with GM or Chrysler.

 

 

While we are at it since we dont want to support the domestics lets take away the billions that the imports are getting by having their factories here. All the state governments are subsidizing them as we speak so we should end them as well.

 

 

Sorry, I follow the industry and I've not seen evidence that the major Japanese or European car makers get billions a year in subsidies. And, again, no actual government participation in the automotive industry is anything like the tens of billions we are simply outright squandering on GM. And what makes it worse is that people following this industry could see it all coming for years, long before the credit crunch. GM deserves to die.

[hurricanesfans27]

Im not talking about the occasional tax credit either. Im talking about foreign governments subsidizing foreign companies to the tune of billions every single year. Japan and Germany as well as Korea now have been doing it for decades. No one remembers the fact that Kia and Hyundai went bankrupt in the 90s and were supported by the Seoul government till they got back on their feet and even now they are being supported by them. As far as buying a GM car or even a Chrysler product I wouldnt have a problem at all since in my opinion they are superior to the japanese product and far more comfortable. No one remembers what happened when Daewoo or Fiat left the country. If you wanted warranty work done you were SOL. That wouldnt happen with GM or Chrysler.

 

 

While we are at it since we dont want to support the domestics lets take away the billions that the imports are getting by having their factories here. All the state governments are subsidizing them as we speak so we should end them as well.

 

 

Sorry, I follow the industry and I've not seen evidence that the major Japanese or European car makers get billions a year in subsidies. And, again, no actual government participation in the automotive industry is anything like the tens of billions we are simply outright squandering on GM. And what makes it worse is that people following this industry could see it all coming for years, long before the credit crunch. GM deserves to die.

 

 

 

 

 

you evidently have never lived in germany. Having lived there myself for 5 years Ive witnessed it firsthand. As far as the Japanese is concerned they still are carrying toyota and honda as far as paying for medical insurance for their employees like they do the rest of their citizens unlike GM or Chrysler do. We wont even go there on pensions or any other benefits. when toyota almost went bankrupt many years ago it was the japanese government who bailed them out just like the US did with chrysler back in the early 80s. Just like Korea did with Hyundai and Kia did in the 90s.

[Cactus Flower]

. I had a Mailbu a couple years ago for a rental and it drove like a water buffalo.

 

 

I guess you would need to drive an 08-09

 

[hegemony]

. I had a Mailbu a couple years ago for a rental and it drove like a water buffalo.

 

 

I guess you would need to drive an 08-09

 

 

need is not the word LOL.

 

but if there has been an improvement, good.

 

I plan on driving my junker a few more years.

 

maybe then the chevy volt will be perfected.

[LBCS]

About the Malibu:- I rented one a few months ago and did not find anything wrong with it. It was adequate as a rental. But it certainly cannot compare to a Camry - I owned a 2005 V6 SE and it certainly did not lack power. And I will not be selling my Lexus and running to buy a Malibu anytime soon.

 

When I said "too risky", I meant the reliance on government for warranty enforcement. There is also a grave danger of the resale values going into the toilet.

[hurricanesfans27]

About the Malibu:- I rented one a few months ago and did not find anything wrong with it. It was adequate as a rental. But it certainly cannot compare to a Camry - I owned a 2005 V6 SE and it certainly did not lack power. And I will not be selling my Lexus and running to buy a Malibu anytime soon.

 

When I said "too risky", I meant the reliance on government for warranty enforcement. There is also a grave danger of the resale values going into the toilet.

 

when oldsmobile went away their resale values didnt drop at all. I dont think pontiac will drop either.

[Cactus Flower]

About the Malibu:- I rented one a few months ago and did not find anything wrong with it. It was adequate as a rental. But it certainly cannot compare to a Camry - I owned a 2005 V6 SE and it certainly did not lack power. And I will not be selling my Lexus and running to buy a Malibu anytime soon.

 

When I said "too risky", I meant the reliance on government for warranty enforcement. There is also a grave danger of the resale values going into the toilet.

 

when oldsmobile went away their resale values didnt drop at all. I dont think pontiac will drop either.

 

I am not looking to resell my car at all.. by the time it's ready to go ..it will be at that age where it doesn't matter what brand it is.. it will be a $1000-$1500 car (LOL)

 

So I don't care at all what resale value is when I buy a car, I look for value.

I drive my cars virtually forever... at least compared to a lot of people I know that trade up every few years...

[Cactus Flower]

About the Malibu:- I rented one a few months ago and did not find anything wrong with it. It was adequate as a rental. But it certainly cannot compare to a Camry - I owned a 2005 V6 SE and it certainly did not lack power. And I will not be selling my Lexus and running to buy a Malibu anytime soon.

 

When I said "too risky", I meant the reliance on government for warranty enforcement. There is also a grave danger of the resale values going into the toilet.

 

 

No one is asking anyone to sell their Lexus and run to a Malibu.

That would be utterly ridiculous, that would be like telling me to sell my Malibu and run to a Lexus.

 

I am not going to convince anyone to drive a car just because *I* like it, that's what a car salesman is paid to do.

 

Frankly these threads just beat a dead horse. People are gonna drive what they like. That is all there is to it.