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Facebook Says Most Employees Can Work from Home, But Don't Lie About Where Home Is

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It's called locality pay.  This is not just Facebook.  Many employers (both private and public sector) base salary scales on the local cost of living.  In-N-Out Burger pays more in San Francisco than in Dallas.  I don't think it would be hard to find cheaters.  If they're living in Waco, Texas but claim to be living in Menlo Park, CA, make them show up at the office once in a while, maybe with no warning.  The cost of last minute travel should more than negate any salary cheating.  There's also stuff like having state payroll deductions taken from you for the wrong state, so tax issues.

 

Link:  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/facebook-workers-bid-goodbye-menlo-233504305.html

 

 

Edited by Burgerwars

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For someone like Facebook, it would be relatively simple to determine the cheaters just by looking at the IP address.  VPN only does so much, as poker players have learned (including one who was playing from California while claiming to have won a tournament from a Vancouver computer- and then lied in pleadings filed to get his 'winnings').  Similarly, the geofencing seems to do a pretty good job at keeping non-Nevada players from playing on WSOP.com or even engaging in the legal sportsbook apps...

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This is going to be an interesting take on just how important (or not) living in the Bay Area is to FB employees. Now that employees have a choice, where will they go? I'll be very curious what the actual numbers look like. More curious is how many choose to stay in California, just not in the Bay Area.

 

Since salaries are so high here, the drop in pay might be more than some expected. I think they will probably use Gartner data to help with this.

 

Nonetheless, kudos to Facebook for doing this. I think alot of companies will revisit WFH policies when when this is all over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Landing a work from home job with a good company might be an opportunity to save up some money and eventually move to a nicer town. 

 

Or not.

 

When it is not an in-person presence, why does the value of the work depend on where the employee lives?

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18 minutes ago, mk_378 said:

Landing a work from home job with a good company might be an opportunity to save up some money and eventually move to a nicer town. 

 

Or not.

 

When it is not an in-person presence, why does the value of the work depend on where the employee lives?

Because I can get rid of my current remote employee who's moved to Des Moines, and replace her/him with a different remote employee in Des Moines who can do the same job for a Des Moines-caliber salary.

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1 hour ago, cv91915 said:

Because I can get rid of my current remote employee who's moved to Des Moines, and replace her/him with a different remote employee in Des Moines who can do the same job for a Des Moines-caliber salary.

I hear everyone who can't afford a house on the Cali Coast should move to Clive Iowa and commute to Des Moines and stop complaining about real estate prices.

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18 minutes ago, hegemony said:

I hear everyone who can't afford a house on the Cali Coast should move to Clive Iowa and commute to Des Moines and stop complaining about real estate prices.

No, they should stay where they are, walk into the zip code of their choice, and declare, "This is how much I can spend.  Now give me a house."

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5 hours ago, cv91915 said:

Because I can get rid of my current remote employee who's moved to Des Moines, and replace her/him with a different remote employee in Des Moines who can do the same job for a Des Moines-caliber salary.

 

Exactly. The value of work is the same. But on the Peninsula where FB is located, it is highly competitive. If you want to attract the best, you have to pay for it, over and above what the job responsibilities actually are commensurate with. These employees have zero intention of living in the Valley, or even in the East Bay.

 

In Des Moines, not too much competition I would venture a guess, so FB can actually pay what the position is worth in that locale and not get into a bidding war with other companies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by NorCalR1

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4 hours ago, hegemony said:

I hear everyone who can't afford a house on the Cali Coast should move to Clive Iowa and commute to Des Moines and stop complaining about real estate prices.

 

They love to complain about first world problems. All that complaining and at the end of the day, they choose to stay and put up with the crowds, traffic, and 90 min waits for Dinner Fri and Saturday.

 

 

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1 hour ago, NorCalR1 said:

 

They love to complain about first world problems. All that complaining and at the end of the day, they choose to stay and put up with the crowds, traffic, and 90 min waits for Dinner Fri and Saturday.

 

 

but they could commute on beautiful I-80!!!

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On 5/23/2020 at 7:13 AM, hegemony said:

I hear everyone who can't afford a house on the Cali Coast should move to Clive Iowa and commute to Des Moines and stop complaining about real estate prices.

On 6/10/2017 at 3:22 PM, hegemony said:

when I was under-employed I conducted an international job search and moved 2,000 miles for a better job. Too many mericans are afraid to leave their home county.

 

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Generally and FWIW, over the years I've heard that a lot since I've worked remotely for over a decade. The advice to relocate to a more affordable area always frustrated me because I was raising two kids on my own, and now I am widowed.

 

Any scenario where I flee suburban NYC for a lower price area meant losing any support system access to family, my kids really only ever having me, and long expensive commutes for visitation. It's advice far more applicable to two-parent households, but solo parents and especially widows are not really in a great position to move away from their entire family. 

 

Although I am fairly priced out of the market by myself, my housing situation is such that I am thisclose to buying my house, I just have to wait for a few things unrelated to me to happen. But it took a long time to maneuver there, and it was a lot of complex things falling into place. 

 

Also, in the social groups in which I interact (mainly of widows), I've seen many many times a widow or widower moving away after bereavement, and then it spectacularly doesn't work out and they're worse off. It's hard to articulate, but people who are barely getting by are sometimes further screwed over by a move to make things easier. 

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On 5/23/2020 at 10:13 AM, hegemony said:

I hear everyone who can't afford a house on the Cali Coast should move to Clive Iowa and commute to Des Moines and stop complaining about real estate prices.

Sure. Then they can artificially jack prices up beyond belief on everything in farm country, complain about the smell of cow pies and pound another nail in the coffin of small family farms.  Do we really need to ruin everything? 

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