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4 hours ago, NorCalR1 said:

San Francisco made it permanent. You still owe it, but gone is the 6-month timeline. 

 

https://sfist.com/2020/06/10/sf-supervisors-extend-eviction-moratorium-indefinitely/

 

"....does not cancel or forgive rent payments, but it would turn back rent into consumer debt that a landlord would hope to collect at a later date."

 

 

 

Awesome! Credit gets trashed anyways.

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On 6/2/2020 at 12:42 PM, cv91915 said:

Nothing applies 100% of the time, but "Missed most recent paycheck" is nowhere on this list.

 

You'll notice that the total adds up to > 100% because many of these poor souls have more than one of these conditions.

 

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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-07/homeless-population-mental-illness-disability 

 

It is increasing in LA.

 

https://www.kron4.com/news/california/homelessness-deepens-in-los-angeles-county-jumps-13/

 

"“These are folks who are one missed paycheck, one family tragedy, healthcare crisis, car accident — whatever it is — away from losing their housing,” 

 

 

 

 

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Apartment management has made arrangements

for Crisis Assistance Ministry (local community group) to be onsite to try and help those struggling. 

 

In short what they are really saying, is we are making plans to evict in accordance with the law as soon as possible. 

 

Need help paying your rent and/or utilities?

Don’t wait for an eviction or disconnection notice!

Volunteers will be available to help you complete an application for assistance on the following date/time:
 

Date: June 18th 2020

Time: 5pm-8pm
Location: Leasing Office: 

 

 

To ensure that you’re able to complete the  application, please bring the following documents:

 

  1. Picture ID of person applying for financial assistance.
  1. Social Security documentation for all household members: Social Security (SS) card, documentation from the SS Administration, W2 form from an employer, paystub with a complete SS number, or W7 if applicable. If you are not registered with the SS Administration, you must provide some form of ID.
  2. Proof of household income over the past 30 days. Include all paystubs received by any household members during this period. If anyone receives unemployment, SSI, SSA, VA benefits, retirement pension, child support, disability payments, or income from any other source, you must provide verification.
  3. Past due utility bills, disconnection notices, rental late notices or eviction papers. These must be in the name of an adult who resides at that address.
  4. Rental lease to verify your residence, if you are seeking assistance with rent.
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46 minutes ago, TheVig said:

Apartment management has made arrangements

for Crisis Assistance Ministry (local community group) to be onsite to try and help those struggling. 

 

In short what they are really saying, is we are making plans to evict in accordance with the law as soon as possible. 

 

Need help paying your rent and/or utilities?

Don’t wait for an eviction or disconnection notice!

Volunteers will be available to help you complete an application for assistance on the following date/time:
 

Date: June 18th 2020

Time: 5pm-8pm
Location: Leasing Office: 

 

 

To ensure that you’re able to complete the  application, please bring the following documents:

 

  1. Picture ID of person applying for financial assistance.
  1. Social Security documentation for all household members: Social Security (SS) card, documentation from the SS Administration, W2 form from an employer, paystub with a complete SS number, or W7 if applicable. If you are not registered with the SS Administration, you must provide some form of ID.
  2. Proof of household income over the past 30 days. Include all paystubs received by any household members during this period. If anyone receives unemployment, SSI, SSA, VA benefits, retirement pension, child support, disability payments, or income from any other source, you must provide verification.
  3. Past due utility bills, disconnection notices, rental late notices or eviction papers. These must be in the name of an adult who resides at that address.
  4. Rental lease to verify your residence, if you are seeking assistance with rent.

"In short what they are really saying, is we are making plans to evict in accordance with the law as soon as possible"

 

Sure sounds like it. Perhaps those in the know are keenly aware that it is doubtful another moratorium extension will be granted. If that is indeed the case, let us see what the impact is going to be. E.g. damaged credit, no income, disconnects, under or unemployed, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There was a crowd of women hanging around the parking lot at my office today talking loudly about rent and utilities. The general theme was expected upcoming eviction notices. I couldn’t understand how they expected to simply argue through a locked door over getting evicted and win. Nor could I understand how they believed not answering the door could actually stop the landlord from going in and putting all their stuff in the street. 
 

Mindboggling. 

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14 hours ago, kaylee34 said:

There was a crowd of women hanging around the parking lot at my office today talking loudly about rent and utilities. The general theme was expected upcoming eviction notices. I couldn’t understand how they expected to simply argue through a locked door over getting evicted and win. Nor could I understand how they believed not answering the door could actually stop the landlord from going in and putting all their stuff in the street. 
 

Mindboggling. 

Think about the intelligence of the average person...then remember that half of the people are below average. You just found some of the people in that lower half...

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1 hour ago, centex said:

Think about the intelligence of the average person...then remember that half of the people are below average. You just found some of the people in that lower half...

half of the people are below the medium not the mean unless you are assuming a normal distribution (which is risky given all the Karens and McMuffins out there)

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On 6/12/2020 at 6:02 PM, NorCalR1 said:

 

It is increasing in LA.

 

https://www.kron4.com/news/california/homelessness-deepens-in-los-angeles-county-jumps-13/

 

"“These are folks who are one missed paycheck, one family tragedy, healthcare crisis, car accident — whatever it is — away from losing their housing,” 

 

Nothing in the story attempts to support the assertion that the increase is from people who are recently unemployed.

 

It's a slogan.

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25 minutes ago, cv91915 said:

Nothing in the story attempts to support the assertion that the increase is from people who are recently unemployed.

 

It's a slogan.

Perhaps. But no one really knows exact figures. Does it really matter though? OK, it is a slogan as you say. Then what? You just walk away and pretend homelessness does not exist and it is not your problem to deal with?

 

 

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33 minutes ago, NorCalR1 said:

Perhaps. But no one really knows exact figures. Does it really matter though? OK, it is a slogan as you say. Then what? You just walk away and pretend homelessness does not exist and it is not your problem to deal with?

Not at all.  It's unconscionable what's happening to people who need drug treatment and mental health services.  

 

My main revulsion to this "one paycheck away..." talk track is that it distracts the public from the people with the most chronic problems who need the most urgent help. 

 

These people are dying, and not because they're $200 a month short on rent, or because they got laid off from the front desk at the Marriott when tourism went into the shitter.

 

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33 minutes ago, cv91915 said:

Not at all.  It's unconscionable what's happening to people who need drug treatment and mental health services.  

 

My main revulsion to this "one paycheck away..." talk track is that it distracts the public from the people with the most chronic problems who need the most urgent help. 

 

These people are dying, and not because they're $200 a month short on rent, or because they got laid off from the front desk at the Marriott when tourism went into the shitter.

 

 

Agree to a point. I still think that many people in SF/LA are still just one paycheck away from being on the streets and once the government relief packages stop, and eviction moratoriums are no longer extended (even if we have to shutdown again due to upticks in covid-19 cases) it will only get worse. They may not die, and they may not be visibly on the streets, and may not be dying, but they are there, albeit in cars, campers, or in shelters, but nonetheless are suddenly without a place to live.

 

 

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So what's the solution? Give everyone an Agenda 21 shoebox apartment, with a public transit stop at each apartment complex?

 

Count me out.

 

I'm all for drug and mental health treatment. But these so called paycheck to paycheck types need to cut the umbilical cord they have with their perceived safety net of loser friends and family and hit the road and move somewhere else, where their money and skill sets might go farther.

 

A coworker of mine grew up in the shithole mountains of Kentucky. He wised up by 18. Joined the military. After his time was up, he went home. Being home lasted about 5 days. Then a one-way Greyhound bus ticket was his way to freedom from poverty.

 

I was born in the middle of nowhere Iowa. I didn't realize it until I was in my teens. But one of the greatest gifts my parents gave me was when they decided to move to make a better life for us.

 

You can change your part of your family tree for the better, if you got the balls to do it.

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4 hours ago, cv91915 said:

It's unconscionable what's happening to people who need drug treatment and mental health services.  

 

My main revulsion to this "one paycheck away..." talk track is that it distracts the public from the people with the most chronic problems who need the most urgent help. 

^^^ This. 1000% From first hand experience. No better way to describe it. Very, very few that I've known want a handout. Few homeless are in that situation for any length of time because they want to be. For those that are really "down on their luck" it's amazing what a simple conversation can do.

 

 

3 hours ago, NorCalR1 said:

I still think that many people in SF/LA are still just one paycheck away from being on the streets and once the government relief packages stop, and eviction moratoriums are no longer extended (even if we have to shutdown again due to upticks in covid-19 cases) it will only get worse. They may not die, and they may not be visibly on the streets, and may not be dying, but they are there, albeit in cars, campers, or in shelters, but nonetheless are suddenly without a place to live.

 

People in SF/LA/Portland/Chicago/NY/Miami Beach/pick a place. 

 

I have little sympathy. Truly. It's not sudden. People know this is coming. Most have options before the eviction notices hit the mailboxes. Most will have options beyond the car, subway, shelters and underpasses even after the notices hit. They may not LIKE those options but they do exist. People don't like to be uncomfortable. How many of those living paycheck to paycheck have luxuries beyond absolute necessities? Most. Pets? Many. How many started producing offspring they couldn't afford to feed and kept producing them? More than a few. How many live in an area they can't afford to live in? Many. Those are all choices they made. Many have still had some type of income coming in even if they were shut out of their real jobs. If it costs a fortune to live there and you can't afford it, LEAVE! Move. It's NOT that hard. Cost a lot? It can. But if you're to the point of being so broke you're about to call the old Escort home, sell every scrap of crap you have for gas money and leave. It's not going to fit in there anyway. No car? Greyhound is still cheap. No you won't be comfortable but you'll get there. Generations today are soft and spoiled. No latte today is a hardship and OMG water from the faucet is unthinkable. 

 

 

2 hours ago, TheVig said:

So what's the solution? Give everyone an Agenda 21 shoebox apartment, with a public transit stop at each apartment complex?

 

Count me out.

 

I'm all for drug and mental health treatment. But these so called paycheck to paycheck types need to cut the umbilical cord they have with their perceived safety net of loser friends and family and hit the road and move somewhere else, where their money and skill sets might go farther.

 

Here here! 

 

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1 hour ago, kaylee34 said:

 

^^^ This. 1000% From first hand experience. No better way to describe it. Very, very few that I've known want a handout. Few homeless are in that situation for any length of time because they want to be. For those that are really "down on their luck" it's amazing what a simple conversation can do.

 

 

 

People in SF/LA/Portland/Chicago/NY/Miami Beach/pick a place. 

 

I have little sympathy. Truly. It's not sudden. People know this is coming. Most have options before the eviction notices hit the mailboxes. Most will have options beyond the car, subway, shelters and underpasses even after the notices hit. They may not LIKE those options but they do exist. People don't like to be uncomfortable. How many of those living paycheck to paycheck have luxuries beyond absolute necessities? Most. Pets? Many. How many started producing offspring they couldn't afford to feed and kept producing them? More than a few. How many live in an area they can't afford to live in? Many. Those are all choices they made. Many have still had some type of income coming in even if they were shut out of their real jobs. If it costs a fortune to live there and you can't afford it, LEAVE! Move. It's NOT that hard. Cost a lot? It can. But if you're to the point of being so broke you're about to call the old Escort home, sell every scrap of crap you have for gas money and leave. It's not going to fit in there anyway. No car? Greyhound is still cheap. No you won't be comfortable but you'll get there. Generations today are soft and spoiled. No latte today is a hardship and OMG water from the faucet is unthinkable. 

 

 

 

Here here! 

 

Right on! I have seen this too close to home and I personally had to step up and take over the reigns that outsiders' bad choices didn't affect our family. The birth family of our older adopted children constantly live one inch from being thrown out on the street yet they expect others to bail them out. Sneaking in pitbulls in an apartment and then when the sh@t hits the fan, oh can you keep my dog for a while...Ah no. IPhones! Disneyland but the rent money isn't there.

 

I am not suggesting everyone is like this but there are a lot who are.

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4 hours ago, TheVig said:

So what's the solution? Give everyone an Agenda 21 shoebox apartment, with a public transit stop at each apartment complex?

 

Count me out.

 

I'm all for drug and mental health treatment. But these so called paycheck to paycheck types need to cut the umbilical cord they have with their perceived safety net of loser friends and family and hit the road and move somewhere else, where their money and skill sets might go farther.

 

A coworker of mine grew up in the shithole mountains of Kentucky. He wised up by 18. Joined the military. After his time was up, he went home. Being home lasted about 5 days. Then a one-way Greyhound bus ticket was his way to freedom from poverty.

 

I was born in the middle of nowhere Iowa. I didn't realize it until I was in my teens. But one of the greatest gifts my parents gave me was when they decided to move to make a better life for us.

 

You can change your part of your family tree for the better, if you got the balls to do it.

 

It is not working in LA. In SF, we are in the same boat more or less. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/judge-approves-housing-for-7000-los-angeles-homeless-living-near-freeways

 

"The city will provide 6,000 new beds within 10 months and another 700 beds over 18 months while the county spends $300 million over five years to fund services for the people"

 

 

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On 6/18/2020 at 8:21 PM, NorCalR1 said:

 

It is not working in LA. In SF, we are in the same boat more or less. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/judge-approves-housing-for-7000-los-angeles-homeless-living-near-freeways

 

"The city will provide 6,000 new beds within 10 months and another 700 beds over 18 months while the county spends $300 million over five years to fund services for the people"

 

 


Let’s get down to the nitty gritty. 
 

It took a lawsuit to make it happen because they didn’t live up to the prior agreement.

The action involves a lawsuit filed in March by the LA Alliance for Human Rights, which accused officials in greater Los Angeles of failing to comprehensively address the homelessness crisis.

 

I’d say they were right! But it’s not just for the homeless either. 


In addition to the original category of homeless people living near freeways, the new agreement adds those 65 or older or who have underlying health conditions that put them at high risk of being hospitalized or dying from the coronavirus.

 

7000 beds. Drop in the bucket and it’s inexcusable. We’re not talking about Bumpkin Patch. 

A January count by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority reported that there were more than 66,400 homeless people living in Los Angeles County — by far the largest single concentration in the state. That included more than 41,000 within the city limits. 
 

How many are actual LA citizens who have lost their housing? How many came in from elsewhere? I’d bet the majority came from elsewhere.

 

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10 hours ago, kaylee34 said:


Let’s get down to the nitty gritty. 
 

It took a lawsuit to make it happen because they didn’t live up to the prior agreement.

The action involves a lawsuit filed in March by the LA Alliance for Human Rights, which accused officials in greater Los Angeles of failing to comprehensively address the homelessness crisis.

 

I’d say they were right! But it’s not just for the homeless either. 


In addition to the original category of homeless people living near freeways, the new agreement adds those 65 or older or who have underlying health conditions that put them at high risk of being hospitalized or dying from the coronavirus.

 

7000 beds. Drop in the bucket and it’s inexcusable. We’re not talking about Bumpkin Patch. 

A January count by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority reported that there were more than 66,400 homeless people living in Los Angeles County — by far the largest single concentration in the state. That included more than 41,000 within the city limits. 
 

How many are actual LA citizens who have lost their housing? How many came in from elsewhere? I’d bet the majority came from elsewhere.

 

 

This reminds me of a news story I saw some years ago. Hawaii offered one-way plane tickets to the mainland to some of their homeless. I use the word "offer" loosely. Kinda like how some hospitals in CA have been accused of patient dumping.

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2 hours ago, TheVig said:

 

This reminds me of a news story I saw some years ago. Hawaii offered one-way plane tickets to the mainland to some of their homeless. I use the word "offer" loosely. Kinda like how some hospitals in CA have been accused of patient dumping.

I remember that. 
 

Those that have don’t want to have to deal with those that have not for a multitude of reasons

Homeless is the perpetual “not in my backyard” issue. No one wants it any more than they want a dump, nuclear power station or any other undesirable.

The big problem with this is that while others are necessary evils for the modern lifestyle, homeless people are just that, people. They’re also people that bring a plethora of other undesirables along with them. Mental, physical, substance abuse issues, crime. Compound that with the fact that these undesirables have the same basic human rights as the wealthy and there’s a complex situation with no easy resolution.
 

Blanket approaches don’t work and never will.

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On 6/20/2020 at 10:20 AM, kaylee34 said:

{H}omeless people are just that, people. They’re also people that bring a plethora of other undesirables along with them. Mental, physical, substance abuse issues, crime.

I'd venture to guess its more the first three. The ones with a long rap sheet know if its bad enough on the streets, they can stick up a stop-and-rob and go back to the joint for a 6x9 with three hots and a cot.

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On 6/21/2020 at 4:53 PM, IndyPoolPlayer said:

I'd venture to guess its more the first three. The ones with a long rap sheet know if its bad enough on the streets, they can stick up a stop-and-rob and go back to the joint for a 6x9 with three hots and a cot.

 

Doubt it. With Zero-Bail policies in effect, even with carjacking/robbery, you can't really get locked up anymore. There was an incident at an East Bay BART station where some guy committed car theft, but let out after 6 hours, then committed car jacking an hour later.

 

With covid-19 cases spiking again, they won't hold you in jail for long. Just process and release to avoid overcrowding.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, NorCalR1 said:

 

If Gov. Newsom rolls back the reopening stages, and re-institutes a shelter in place order, how are susceptible folks supposed to make back rent within 6 months?

 

 

If people would show just a little less self centeredness, pull their heads out of their nether regions and simply do as they’re asked to do for their own benefit and the benefit of others, it wouldn’t be necessary to roll anything back. 
 

Of course, me me me won’t do that so they’ll have to be nannied into it. Again. Then me me me will whine when they’re not working, bored stiff, broke and can’t pay their bills. Again. 

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