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The majority of our death toll is people in nursing homes, because somehow they thought the best plan would be to shove the sickies in with Granny. There are a few states whose high nursing home death toll can be blamed squarely on the governors. MN and NY come to mind. They kill granny, then ban funerals to say goodbye. Well, most funerals. That's embarrassing.

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5 hours ago, Bad Doctor Frost said:

The majority of our death toll is people in nursing homes, because somehow they thought the best plan would be to shove the sickies in with Granny. There are a few states whose high nursing home death toll can be blamed squarely on the governors. MN and NY come to mind. They kill granny, then ban funerals to say goodbye. Well, most funerals. That's embarrassing.

Thats a good assessment, but there is a small problem in this. When NY got hit hard, without any testing resources from (ummm..... ) and daily 8 to 10K cases are registered and not mention 400 deaths a day, it is hard to let these so called grannies to go home. That would have been catastrophe to general population. Not to mention states are bidding against each other diving prices for everything under the sun to get the care needed.

 

Let's just say what really happened, when a country is like run like corporation and is run by CEO's (every one knows who gives what and and to whom), there is no incentive to act before it hits. Every misery is an opportunity in this capitalist country. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Krish said:

Thats a good assessment, but there is a small problem in this. When NY got hit hard, without any testing resources from (ummm..... ) and daily 8 to 10K cases are registered and not mention 400 deaths a day, it is hard to let these so called grannies to go home. That would have been catastrophe to general population. Not to mention states are bidding against each other diving prices for everything under the sun to get the care needed.

 

Let's just say what really happened, when a country is like run like corporation and is run by CEO's (every one knows who gives what and and to whom), there is no incentive to act before it hits. Every misery is an opportunity in this capitalist country. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

 

 

I remember when cases were 15 and going to zero.

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34 minutes ago, hegemony said:

I remember when cases were 15 and going to zero.

I wish my math was that good.. but .. I can only count on my fingers and can only get to 10... after that.. they dont exists... 

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1 hour ago, Krish said:

Thats a good assessment, but there is a small problem in this. When NY got hit hard, without any testing resources from (ummm..... ) and daily 8 to 10K cases are registered and not mention 400 deaths a day, it is hard to let these so called grannies to go home. That would have been catastrophe to general population. Not to mention states are bidding against each other diving prices for everything under the sun to get the care needed.

 

Let's just say what really happened, when a country is like run like corporation and is run by CEO's (every one knows who gives what and and to whom), there is no incentive to act before it hits. Every misery is an opportunity in this capitalist country. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

HOWEVER...the problem was shoving the olds in the nursing homes and NOT on the mercy ships and field hospitals built specifically to deal with the alleged COVID overflow problems (that never actually materialized in ANY jurisdiction). 

 

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55 minutes ago, centex said:

HOWEVER...the problem was shoving the olds in the nursing homes and NOT on the mercy ships and field hospitals built specifically to deal with the alleged COVID overflow problems (that never actually materialized in ANY jurisdiction). 

 

I'm going purely off recollection here, but I remember being surprised to later learn not long after USS Mercy and Comfort docked that they were meant for non-covid patients. Eventually that was breached. 

 

But the overflow conditions are primarily for ICU wards. That was the barometer in the original projections.

 

Also, this happened: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/some-ny-hospitals-start-splitting-ventilators-to-buy-time-for-coronavirus-patients/2363049/

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1 hour ago, Krish said:

Let's just say what really happened, when a country is like run like corporation and is run by CEO's (every one knows who gives what and and to whom), there is no incentive to act before it hits. Every misery is an opportunity in this capitalist country. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

Sad agree. I don't think it's necessarily political to observe that however you feel about our current system, its structure enables profit from illness. 

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14 hours ago, Burdell said:

A co-worker and his wife went to Vegas last week.  Today they tested positive after starting to present symptoms of covid. 

 

Gamblers like to gamble.

I like gambling too. With money, that is.  So no casinos for me.

 

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One of the problems with what some of you are saying is that .... 

 

it's rather obtuse to keep saying "yes, the numbers are going up because we're doing more testing" and to keep ignoring that 

 

  • hospitalization rates are also going up
  • percent of tests that are positive are also going up - this means that the increase in number of positives outpaces the increase in number of tests
  • ICU capacity rates are going down
  • our rate of infection, instead of continuing to decrease, is back at the rate that it was in April - meaning it dipped then went back up

 

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59 minutes ago, Pam said:

One of the problems with what some of you are saying is that .... 

 

it's rather obtuse to keep saying "yes, the numbers are going up because we're doing more testing" and to keep ignoring that 

 

  • hospitalization rates are also going up
  • percent of tests that are positive are also going up - this means that the increase in number of positives outpaces the increase in number of tests
  • ICU capacity rates are going down
  • our rate of infection, instead of continuing to decrease, is back at the rate that it was in April - meaning it dipped then went back up

 

This is what exactly some of us are trying to say.. this is not going away and yet people think its hoax.

Today freaking useless no good people in Scottsdale staged protest for city saying they should wear masks.. Same goes with Palm beach county, FL.

Some of those ignorant people are saying masks are killing them.. hmm... really??? And one women brings god into pic saying we are messing up gods creation by wearing masks.. wow.. no wonder we are in this situation...

 

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24 minutes ago, Krish said:

This is what exactly some of us are trying to say.. this is not going away and yet people think its hoax.

Today freaking useless no good people in Scottsdale staged protest for city saying they should wear masks.. Same goes with Palm beach county, FL.

Some of those ignorant people are saying masks are killing them.. hmm... really??? And one women brings god into pic saying we are messing up gods creation by wearing masks.. wow.. no wonder we are in this situation...

 

I know :) There were some posts earlier in this thread that don't take these factors into account and it just defies logic.

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1 hour ago, Pam said:

One of the problems with what some of you are saying is that .... 

 

it's rather obtuse to keep saying "yes, the numbers are going up because we're doing more testing" and to keep ignoring that 

 

  • hospitalization rates are also going up
  • percent of tests that are positive are also going up - this means that the increase in number of positives outpaces the increase in number of tests
  • ICU capacity rates are going down
  • our rate of infection, instead of continuing to decrease, is back at the rate that it was in April - meaning it dipped then went back up

 

Yep. Pretty clear infection rates are going up fast. And generally in states that haven't been hit hard. These new infections are skewing much younger like the birthday celebrants that went to a bar and had a good time. And all caught covid-19. Older people are likely a bit more careful.

 

Fatality and hospitalization rates in this younger group will be much lower. The main risk is that they spread it to their parents and grandparents. I hope they consider that risk and adjust their behavior.

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At the local Starbucks close to my house a young woman entered the establishment without a mask and the young male employee told her politely he could not serve her until she wears a mask. She screamed at him and threatened to come back with the cops. Anyhow...this story went viral and the backlash towards the woman was epic. So much so, a GoFundMe acct was step up by a customer for the employee. 

 

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/gofundme-started-for-san-diego-barista-after-woman-posts-about-not-wearing-mask-at-starbucks

 

Amber Lynn Gilles took to social media (FB) and globally announced what she did. I found this comment exchange funny and spot on.

 

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25 minutes ago, StarkRaven$ said:

At the local Starbucks close to my house a young woman entered the establishment without a mask and the young male employee told her politely he could not serve her until she wears a mask. She screamed at him and threatened to come back with the cops. Anyhow...this story went viral and the backlash towards the woman was epic. So much so, a GoFundMe acct was step up by a customer for the employee. 

 

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/gofundme-started-for-san-diego-barista-after-woman-posts-about-not-wearing-mask-at-starbucks

 

Amber Lynn Gilles took to social media (FB) and globally announced what she did. I found this comment exchange funny and spot on.

 

 

 

 

 

I wish to god this lady should be spanked hard and taught science starting from Grade 1. No wonder this virus is not going away and will not go away ever. SMH...

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