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The author makes a solid point.  Cars are a costly tool.  They are not an investment.  Buying one that will properly operate the longest for the least amount of money possible is sound advice. 

 

That said, for me, driving a car I enjoy driving is a luxury that I place a high value on.  Other people like to travel frequently, some like fancy clothes, etc.  If I didn't spend it on my car I would spend it on something else.  IMO, as long as you are living within your means, how you allocate those means is entirely a personal choice.

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We have a 2010 Prius with 75,000 miles for sale, if anyone is interested.  

 

It's red with tan interior, and inside it smells like a Turkish intellectual.  

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35 minutes ago, CTSoxFan said:

Do we start calling him TAID now?  Or ITAD? 

I just call him b1tch t!ts.

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6 hours ago, cv91915 said:

I just call him b1tch t!ts.

I thought that was his name for you.  Have the roles reversed such that you have suddenly become the in shape one and he has sprouted moobies?

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2 hours ago, CTSoxFan said:

I thought that was his name for you.  Have the roles reversed such that you have suddenly become the in shape one and he has sprouted moobies?

He copies all of my best ideas.  

 

Dirty foreigner.

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Whatever makes you happy. With a new car, and not just expensive ones, everything is usually under warranty for at least three years. No maintenance worries. Most people aren't auto mechanics. New cars also have better safety features. What's the use bragging about all the money you saved driving a Ford Pinto, if you die when it explodes on the freeway.

Last month I got rid of my 2010 Acura and got a new car. The Acura needed about $2,500 of servicing/repairs (actually more if I included new tires). Even if I threw all that money in the car It wouldn't increase its value, and something else could go wrong the next day.

Actually, leasing can also make sense. Anyway, if you want to drive a rustmobile without a working air conditioner in the hot summer, go ahead, but I'm not.

 

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55 minutes ago, Burgerwars said:

Whatever makes you happy. With a new car, and not just expensive ones, everything is usually under warranty for at least three years. No maintenance worries. Most people aren't auto mechanics. New cars also have better safety features. What's the use bragging about all the money you saved driving a Ford Pinto, if you die when it explodes on the freeway.

Last month I got rid of my 2010 Acura and got a new car. The Acura needed about $2,500 of servicing/repairs (actually more if I included new tires). Even if I threw all that money in the car It wouldn't increase its value, and something else could go wrong the next day.

Actually, leasing can also make sense. Anyway, if you want to drive a rustmobile without a working air conditioner in the hot summer, go ahead, but I'm not.

 

What did you buy as a replacement vehicle?  You'd look stunning in a Jaguar.

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46 minutes ago, cv91915 said:

What did you buy as a replacement vehicle?  You'd look stunning in a Jaguar.

No Jag. The new Burgermobile is a Subaru Legacy. It comes with their driver assistance technology called EyeSight. One thing it's supposed to do is stop the car if I'm driving into a brick wall. If I ever get the nerve to do that, and you don't hear from me anymore, it doesn't work. :/

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No Jag. The new Burgermobile is a Subaru Legacy. It comes with their driver assistance technology called EyeSight. One thing it's supposed to do is stop the car if I'm driving into a brick wall. If I ever get the nerve to do that, and you don't hear from me anymore, it doesn't work. :/


No. It will not work if you keep flooring the gas pedal. Pre-collision breaking just applies breaks and may not be able to stop before hitting the brick wall.

Why Legacy? Every one seems to get a Outback or a Forester. Are the 2020 models out?

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3 hours ago, credit_help said:

 


No. It will not work if you keep flooring the gas pedal. Pre-collision breaking just applies breaks and may not be able to stop before hitting the brick wall.

Why Legacy? Every one seems to get a Outback or a Forester. Are the 2020 models out?

 

I wanted more of a car than an SUV.  The 2020's should be out soon, as the dealer did give me a discount for that (it's a 2019).  Co-worker/friend is also thinking of a new Subaru with EyeSight, but is waiting for the 2020 models.

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On 6/26/2019 at 7:00 AM, credit_help said:

Why Legacy? Every one seems to get a Outback or a Forester. Are the 2020 models out?

At one point in time, the Outback was basically a package FOR the Legacy.  It began as the station wagon variant of the Legacy. 

 

I never cared for the Forester because it was too boxy.  Ironically, now the Outback seems larger than the Forester, while the Forester has lost some of its boxiness. 

 

Mom got a new Outback a few years ago...definitely much larger than the one I had rented at ORD several years ago.  With the size of it, I wish she would have gotten the F-Pace (we have been a very Jag-heavy family across the past decade).  She briefly looked at the Mercedes wagons and crossed them off the list as being a little too bland.  The Porsche SUV never appealed to her.  We got a decent price on the Subaru and I was almost spot on with what I figured they would do with her Audi that she included as a trade. 

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Today I have already driven my Nixon-mobile and my Reagan-mobile. Either one would work well as a daily driver if someone wanted to avoid a car payment and negative equity. Of course they are not for sale. I need some hobby to get me out of the house.

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At one point in time, the Outback was basically a package FOR the Legacy.  It began as the station wagon variant of the Legacy. 
 
I never cared for the Forester because it was too boxy.  Ironically, now the Outback seems larger than the Forester, while the Forester has lost some of its boxiness. 
 
Mom got a new Outback a few years ago...definitely much larger than the one I had rented at ORD several years ago.  With the size of it, I wish she would have gotten the F-Pace (we have been a very Jag-heavy family across the past decade).  She briefly looked at the Mercedes wagons and crossed them off the list as being a little too bland.  The Porsche SUV never appealed to her.  We got a decent price on the Subaru and I was almost spot on with what I figured they would do with her Audi that she included as a trade. 


With customers’ preference for SUVs over cars and wagons, lot more Outbacks than Legacies. Even Honda and Toyota are not able to sell as many cars as they used to. American manufacturers have completely given up on cars.

Subarus are purchased by customers who like the quirky looks of Outback and Forester. But, they are selling a lot more. In fact Subaru is one of the few auto companies that grew in the last 10 years while other manufacturers lost sales.

https://autoweek.com/article/car-life/underdog-subaru-turns-50

I am seeing more Subaru’s on road in Texas. Subaru dealer I go to in Houston is moving service to a 40+ bays garage from 13 bays garage. They are taking over Jeep garage next door in the same lot.

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I wish Subaru would bring back the Brat...not the Baja, but the Brat...and do it right, with a stick.  Probably won't ever happen for insurance reasons though...

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The Outback has always been bigger than the Forester. The Forester, when it was new in 1998, was literally a lifted body on an Impreza WRX chassis. Even the interior from the b-pillar forward was the same. They drove like a rally car with the practicality of an SUV. Then they became SUVs in their 2009 update and lost the "fun" part. Subarus are wonderful cars, and they're the only one left putting TRUE full-time all-wheel drive in their cars (even Audi is going to part-time junk) but I hate CVTs, and Subaru throws them in every one. I also hate 4-cylinders, and they axed the H6, too. Sigh. Back to das Germans.

 

On a related note, I'm with CTSox. I don't drink (much). I don't do drugs. It's not going to impact my future, so I lease. I don't have to worry about maintenance, being under water, I know exactly what my cash outlay will be, and I get a new car every 2-3 years. Honestly, who wants to own a car? I want the things I own to be working capital.

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The way I look at it is if you had the cash to buy the vehicle out right would you? Most peoples answer is no way if I had that kind of money I'd... Those payments in 5 - 6 - 7 years ends in the same result. If I had bought a brand new car in 13 instead of my 06 I'd be about 25k poorer right now.

 

The next thing is housing after you get the nice big house in the nice neighborhood or swanky rental in the trendy part of town with the new car. Most of your hard earned money every month is already spoken for. I went for the cheap fixer upper in the ok neighborhood. My PITI is lower than alot of peoples car payment. Between no car payment and a low house payment its easy to bank money making less money than my peers who cry broke. My one buddy kills me always trying to talk me into splurging on something expensive. He went for the house that cost 5x more than mine and the brand new truck with a payment higher than my house. Meanwhile he can't go grab some dinner out on payday because he only has $50 to last til his next paycheck. Cheap cars and houses might not be the road to riches but expensive cars and houses are a good way to be poor.

 

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16 hours ago, cv91915 said:

No one should use a shitty toaster though. 

 

I just splurged on one of those fancy inverter microwaves, things pretty sweet. I rarely use a toaster though so its still a basic walmart special.

 

The old microwave was a walmart special too cheapest they had when I moved into my new apartment in 2012. When I was checking out the cashier was insisting I buy the extended warranty because its junk and will break in no time. She stopped scanning to tell me all this, I kept saying no I don't want the warranty and she kept going on and on, after a while the girl behind me piped in like jesus christ lady he doesn't want the warranty now will you scan the rest of his stuff I have to pee. Cashier looks at me and goes eshhh whats her problem I'm just trying to save you from this microwave breaking because it will break like mine did and you'll be out all this money...I don't want the g-d warranty lady can you please scan the rest of my stuff. Telling the story reminds me why I should of fixed it, its only the door switch should be an easy fix. I'll make it the job site microwave after I fix it.

 

 

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On 7/12/2019 at 3:00 PM, oldblue said:

The way I look at it is if you had the cash to buy the vehicle out right would you? Most peoples answer is no way if I had that kind of money I'd... Those payments in 5 - 6 - 7 years ends in the same result. If I had bought a brand new car in 13 instead of my 06 I'd be about 25k poorer right now.

 

The next thing is housing after you get the nice big house in the nice neighborhood or swanky rental in the trendy part of town with the new car. Most of your hard earned money every month is already spoken for. I went for the cheap fixer upper in the ok neighborhood. My PITI is lower than alot of peoples car payment. Between no car payment and a low house payment its easy to bank money making less money than my peers who cry broke. My one buddy kills me always trying to talk me into splurging on something expensive. He went for the house that cost 5x more than mine and the brand new truck with a payment higher than my house. Meanwhile he can't go grab some dinner out on payday because he only has $50 to last til his next paycheck. Cheap cars and houses might not be the road to riches but expensive cars and houses are a good way to be poor.

 

I could buy it out, but I don't want to.  I like leasing because I like always driving a new car.  It's the way I choose to use my discretionary funds.  It goes back to my last statement, as long as you are living within your means (meaning having sufficient funds available after necessities and savings), it doesn't make a bit of difference how you allocate those funds.  It sounds like your peers are missing that last part.

 

 

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17 hours ago, CTSoxFan said:

I could buy it out, but I don't want to.  I like leasing because I like always driving a new car.  It's the way I choose to use my discretionary funds.  It goes back to my last statement, as long as you are living within your means (meaning having sufficient funds available after necessities and savings), it doesn't make a bit of difference how you allocate those funds.  It sounds like your peers are missing that last part.

 

 

 

I just don't get the point of driving a new car. Whats the hurry when I can buy the same thing for a tenth the price in a few years. As long as I stay a few years behind its always new to me.

 

By peers you mean a good majority of Americans right?

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2 hours ago, oldblue said:

 

I just don't get the point of driving a new car. Whats the hurry when I can buy the same thing for a tenth the price in a few years. As long as I stay a few years behind its always new to me.

 

By peers you mean a good majority of Americans right?

I don't drive someone else's ashtray unless it is over 45 years old.

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On 7/14/2019 at 8:54 AM, oldblue said:

 

I just don't get the point of driving a new car. Whats the hurry when I can buy the same thing for a tenth the price in a few years. As long as I stay a few years behind its always new to me.

 

By peers you mean a good majority of Americans right?

There are distinct advantages to KNOWING what has (and has not) been done to a vehicle from the time it came off the truck to the dealership.  Additionally, there are times where aficionados are ONLY going to get the option packages they want by spec'ing the car.  In my case, I want a manual transmission...they are hard enough to get even on spec, but quite challenging to find on the used market.  In the case of the most recent acquisition, I also got ~$30K off of sticker AND they delivered it to me from Shreveport...there are a few things I would have optioned differently, but the most important part was the manual transmission and the fact that the car had less than 300 miles on the clock.   

 

While peers CAN include "a good majority of Americans," it would also clearly apply to the people you referenced that can barely rub two nickles together.  Purchasing a new vehicle is not a path to fiscal ruin if it is done while still living within one's means. 

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I just ain't as picky as yall. My favorite car of all time was an old escort I got for $100 that was so nasty I had to gut the interior out. It was a rolling tin can and fun as could be with a 5 speed and no shits given cuz I paid $100 for it.

 

You should go to auto auctions I just grabbed an 08 accord 5 speed for a steal. Since dealers only want autos because its hard for them to sell sticks. Everything else was ridiculously priced, I went in looking for a newish pickup truck but these dealers were paying what you could get deals on craigslist for(which is still too much for my cheapass). Then the accord rolled though and all the dealers stopped bidding and I'm like well looks great 120k miles I'm in for $1800.

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