Bad Doctor Frost Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, hegemony said: I just drove a $44,000 Nissan Leaf Plus and I don't understand why everybody isn't buying this car For starters, I don't have a 593 FICO so Nissan isn't for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centex Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 9:45 AM, cv91915 said: Off the top of my head, 147 horsepower, 150-mile range, and payments of $670 for 72 months. I believe a baseball announcer would be calling that a strikeout on three pitches. I can live with no HP on a commuter, but the range is the killer. They can go to a 300 miles range and it STILL does not work for me. The EV market only works for those that strictly putz about town. Anyone doing any measure of real distance is SOL with that one. Oh, and even with a $7500 credit, $670 a month for six effing years is crack-pipe worthy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv91915 Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 If you only have 30 seconds, skip to about 1:55. hegemony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegemony Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I always laugh at people who want a small car but then buy the jumbo version of it... like the mini cooper or fiat 500 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/bmws-mini-is-fighting-to-stay-alive-in-suv-obsessed-america.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lander Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 13 hours ago, hegemony said: I always laugh at people who want a small car but then buy the jumbo version of it... like the mini cooper or fiat 500 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/bmws-mini-is-fighting-to-stay-alive-in-suv-obsessed-america.html Jumbo shrimps. Where are they at with the 1-series? hegemony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Lander said: Jumbo shrimps. Where are they at with the 1-series? You mean the BMW Kia-Series? It's freaking front wheeled drive. I don't understand the thought process behind pushing luxury marques into the low-income zone. That's what used ones are for. centex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centex Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 17 hours ago, cv91915 said: If you only have 30 seconds, skip to about 1:55. I was still working for the State when Shamu (the sedan version) got added to the fleet...at least in West Texas, we got useful things like the early Yukons, complete with the cargo-space-robbing propane tanks. BUT the additional range was a bonus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lander Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 I think CV will like this article. https://jalopnik.com/i-love-the-range-rover-hybrid-but-it-just-cant-get-over-1838200230 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lander Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Bad Doctor Frost said: You mean the BMW Kia-Series? It's freaking front wheeled drive. I don't understand the thought process behind pushing luxury marques into the low-income zone. That's what used ones are for. Do you remember a 1995 BMW 318ti? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv91915 Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Lander said: I think CV will like this article. https://jalopnik.com/i-love-the-range-rover-hybrid-but-it-just-cant-get-over-1838200230 I think I'm done with SUVs forever, and I don't really want a hybrid anything. So this will probably be our next vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 On 10/4/2019 at 10:57 PM, Lander said: Do you remember a 1995 BMW 318ti? That was at least rear-wheeled drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegemony Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 SUV smackdown: Comparing a Nissan Turd, Jeep Turd, and Mazda Turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv91915 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 7 hours ago, hegemony said: SUV smackdown: Comparing a Nissan Turd, Jeep Turd, and Mazda Turd Nissan Rouge all the way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 11 hours ago, hegemony said: SUV smackdown: Comparing a Nissan Turd, Jeep Turd, and Mazda Turd Mazda doesn't build turds. In fact, I believe they're one of the few car companies left still trying to put soul and personality in their cars. hegemony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centex Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Bad Doctor Frost said: Mazda doesn't build turds. In fact, I believe they're one of the few car companies left still trying to put soul and personality in their cars. Yeah, they still have a bunch of turds...even the Miata has been overly bloated across the past decade. At least they still offer it with a manual transmission though... If they wanted soul and personality, they would offer a manual in ALL of their offerings. Until then, they are still putting out some turds... hegemony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, centex said: Yeah, they still have a bunch of turds...even the Miata has been overly bloated across the past decade. At least they still offer it with a manual transmission though... If they wanted soul and personality, they would offer a manual in ALL of their offerings. Until then, they are still putting out some turds... Can't sell what no one wants. The take rate on manuals isn't enough to justify the cost of regulation. The current Miata is actually smaller than the NA generation, though it's obviously heavier due to all the nannies and safety mumbo jumbo. I mean, they even sold a minivan with a manual. They're better than most others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centex Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Bad Doctor Frost said: Can't sell what no one wants. The take rate on manuals isn't enough to justify the cost of regulation. The current Miata is actually smaller than the NA generation, though it's obviously heavier due to all the nannies and safety mumbo jumbo. I mean, they even sold a minivan with a manual. They're better than most others. The take rate argument is a chicken/egg thing...plenty of people WANT them but, for the makes that actually HAVE them as an option, it is damned near impossible to FIND them outside of a special order. Sadly, few people are willing to wait for the proverbial slow boat from China to have their spec'ed vehicle finally arrive. And since MOST people want to drive off the lot the day they make their deal, I would pin the low take rate precisely on the management of the dealerships... Had the F-Type not been offered with a manual, I would NOT have been a buyer. My four-door X-Type was purchased SPECIFICALLY because it was equipped with three-pedals. I WOULD have bought an XE if JLR would have brought the manual version to the States. Instead, I would have to go gray market...damned Euros get ALL the good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, centex said: The take rate argument is a chicken/egg thing...plenty of people WANT them but, for the makes that actually HAVE them as an option, it is damned near impossible to FIND them outside of a special order. Sadly, few people are willing to wait for the proverbial slow boat from China to have their spec'ed vehicle finally arrive. And since MOST people want to drive off the lot the day they make their deal, I would pin the low take rate precisely on the management of the dealerships... Had the F-Type not been offered with a manual, I would NOT have been a buyer. My four-door X-Type was purchased SPECIFICALLY because it was equipped with three-pedals. I WOULD have bought an XE if JLR would have brought the manual version to the States. Instead, I would have to go gray market...damned Euros get ALL the good stuff. I think the number of people who SAY they want them is vastly more than those who actually do want them. Sure, everyone says they want their brown manual RWD Volvo wagon but the reality is that most people see cars as nothing but an appliance, and enthusiasts are few and far between. Kids these days are getting their licenses later than ever because they just don't appear to value driving or car culture. Unless something has changed recently, even the BMW 3-Series will be automatic only. Plus, with all the autonomous driving features and crash avoidance features, automatics are falling out of favor there as well. I would love to have another 4-door, 5-cylinder, 5-speed Audi again but that's not going to happen. I'll give credit for Mazda for at least making the manual live on a little while longer, though, oddly, it's only available in the top-trim Mazda3. Which is better than only being available on the poverty-spec model, I guess. Really, though. As much as I love manuals, the ZF 8HP transmission is an utterly phenomenal gearbox. There are some manuals on the market that I would easily take the 8HP over, because they feel like churning a pot of cold gravel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyPoolPlayer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 1:26 PM, centex said: Yeah, they still have a bunch of turds...even the Miata has been overly bloated across the past decade. At least they still offer it with a manual transmission though... Ahem ... MX-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centex Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 17 hours ago, IndyPoolPlayer said: Ahem ... MX-5 meh...still a Miata to me. And my preference is STILL the NA series over the current bloat-fest. This holds true even if Goodwin or Flyin'Miata had massaged a newer series quite heavily. hegemony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, centex said: meh...still a Miata to me. And my preference is STILL the NA series over the current bloat-fest. This holds true even if Goodwin or Flyin'Miata had massaged a newer series quite heavily. NA or ND for me. NB I can't fit in and NC is a whale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centex Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, Bad Doctor Frost said: NA or ND for me. NB I can't fit in and NC is a whale. Your comment on the NB surprises me...I didn't think the interior changed. I thought the biggest change there was getting rid of pop-ups and a few other styling cues. Don't remember if the tupperware was the NB or the NC...I do remember telling a dealership when that package came out that they would have a sale if they could delete it though...they refused. I stayed with my BRG NA. I have kept it stock save for adding the BBS wheels from a '92 B&T. I still want a Merlot though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Doctor Frost Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, centex said: Your comment on the NB surprises me...I didn't think the interior changed. I thought the biggest change there was getting rid of pop-ups and a few other styling cues. Don't remember if the tupperware was the NB or the NC...I do remember telling a dealership when that package came out that they would have a sale if they could delete it though...they refused. I stayed with my BRG NA. I have kept it stock save for adding the BBS wheels from a '92 B&T. I still want a Merlot though... I am all torso, and for some reason, I do not fit in them. A good buddy of mine has a 2005 MSM with Lotus seats (essentially a frame wrapped in leather and stuck to the floor) and, when I sit in it, the top of the windshield is right at the bridge of my nose. I can fit....but only with the top down. I look a little like Jeremy Clarkson when he bought the MG Midget clone at auction. I don't have this problem with NAs, nor do I have it with NDs. I can fit in NCs too, but they're just too big to be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lander Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Trading in the 2018 Altima soon, early buy-back, then to get into something else! Maybe a Rogue Sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegemony Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 32 minutes ago, Lander said: Trading in the 2018 Altima soon, early buy-back, then to get into something else! Maybe a Rogue Sport those buy back mailers are a joke. don't fall for it cv91915 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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