foreclosure on a second mortgage

[Reefermike]

i have a 80/20 loan to start with. A while back i lost my job and then had to take another that paid substantially less then i was making.The area i live was hit pretty hard during the financial crisis. The state had a grant oppurtunity to help homeowners stay in their home . I was approved and all was good. What i did not know was the program was taking care of the first mortgage but not the second. Recently i received a summons to court for evection. It said the company had forclosed in November of last year on the second . Mind you the first is up to date. I called the company that has the 1st and verified that yes my next payment due april 1. My question is can the 2nd foreclose and have me evicted when i still pay the 1st? in addition i have a collection company that just sent me a bill for the 2nd. Which i can pay. However they are 2 different companies . I was told they were sister companies . I think they are the collector for the 2nd mortgage company. Ideas

[breeze]

i have a 80/20 loan to start with. A while back i lost my job and then had to take another that paid substantially less then i was making.The area i live was hit pretty hard during the financial crisis. The state had a grant oppurtunity to help homeowners stay in their home . I was approved and all was good. What i did not know was the program was taking care of the first mortgage but not the second. Recently i received a summons to court for evection. It said the company had forclosed in November of last year on the second . Mind you the first is up to date. I called the company that has the 1st and verified that yes my next payment due april 1. My question is can the 2nd foreclose and have me evicted when i still pay the 1st? in addition i have a collection company that just sent me a bill for the 2nd. Which i can pay. However they are 2 different companies . I was told they were sister companies . I think they are the collector for the 2nd mortgage company. Ideas

 

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[IndyPoolPlayer]

Yes, a junior lien (which a second mortgage is, just like HOAs or other assorted attachments) can move to foreclosure. The superior lien (primary mortgage) is always paid first. If the junior lien is moving to foreclosure, they must think there is enough equity in the home to pay off the primary mortgage and something for themselves too.

 

Are either of these FHA and have PMI?

[nosup4u]

didn't you get notices on the foreclosure? That is law

[tiggerlgh]

didn't you get notices on the foreclosure? That is law

How they notify varies by state. It’s all very state and in some cases district specific.

[Analysis]

They can, but they likely will not, unless the home appears to be packed with equity. I don't see any mention of equity estimates, but it ain't cheap to foreclose.

[tiggerlgh]

OP what state are you in?

[Reefermike]

i live in mississippi, i owe 90K on the 1st and the 2nd 21k. total 1s 111k. If a house like mine were listed it would list for 120. last year one identical to it foreclosed, the investor told me he got it for 50k. The notice said the foreclosed in november . I did not receive notice but i have been out of the country since september. Now i just received a bill last week from FCI on this but Partners for Payment Relief is who said they foreclosed in november. The 1st mortgage i called and is still billing to me with a payment due april 1. i have enough money to pay FCI what back balance there is. At this point i am trying to get my options. Should i call to see if the 1st was notified and why the 2nd did not let me know so i continued to pay the 1st for 5 months. From what ia was told FCI and PPR are affiliated somehow. I just need to get in front of this.

TIA

Mike

[tiggerlgh]

Mississippi is a non judicial state their notifications were in local news papers. It does have a six month right of redemption period you can pay off all that is due in that period and keep the house. I would read up on their laws then start talking to them. Who was servicing your second mortgage?

[Reefermike]

partner for payment relief but i am receiving a bill from FCI

[DollarDog]

Who's been living in the house since September 2017?

[Reefermike]

my disabled wife has been there

[DollarDog]

my disabled wife has been there

 

Has her caretaker been ignoring the mail?

[Reefermike]

my wife has intractable epilepsy. She can still get the mail from the box There was none that stated the foreclosure. But alas we are getting off tract. My question is what can be done at this point. I have the money to bring it current. I just want to go about it the right way . As stated i got a notice from the sheriff that stated i refused to leave, when in fact i never even knew about it . I also received a bill from FCI on said account that states the amount due . My question is doing pay FCI and take a chance that i will be out the money and the house will goto PPR.

[ICANHASMUNY?]

I think you better find a lawyer

 

go down to the courthouse and get copies of all the paperwork filed

 

find out where they have been sending notices to

[tiggerlgh]

Ican this is a non judicial state. There won’t be a case at the court house. The notifications will be in local newspapers.

 

OP you need to talk to who was servicing your second lien ASAP. You have a 6 month redemption period.

Edited March 26, 2018 by tiggerlgh

[Kuuner]

If you have six months redemption, it isn't to bring it current, it's to pay it off. I would beg borrower cheat lie and steal to do it if I were you.

 

Also,

 

• The senior doesn't HAVE to be notified. They don't even care if they are as their lien survives.
• Whether you got the notice or knew or not, will not be important. What will be important is that the foreclosing entity has documentation they sent notice, not that you received notice.
• I can't see someone foreclosing in 2nd position with that tight of an equity position.
• While it sucks you were paying for five months to the senior, after you were foreclosed, I don't see anything improper. Someone has to pay the senior and if you weren't paying them, you'd be paying rent. If you weren't paying them, the junior that foreclosed would. It all sounds shady though, especially if the 1st and 2nd might be affiliated. I'd lawyer up to at least see if there is any connection.

[breeze]

Very shady.

[ICANHASMUNY?]

Ican this is a non judicial state. There won’t be a case at the court house. The notifications will be in local newspapers.

 

OP you need to talk to who was servicing your second lien ASAP. You have a 6 month redemption period.

 

no, it's not just non judicial it's either or depending on the note, just like AZ

 

Judicial Foreclosure

The judicial process of foreclosure, which involves filing a lawsuit to obtain a court order to foreclose, is used when no power of sale is present in the mortgage or deed of trust. Generally, after the court declares a foreclosure, your home will be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

Non-Judicial Foreclosure

The non-judicial process of foreclosure is used when a power of sale clause exists in a mortgage or deed of trust. A "power of sale" clause is the clause in a deed of trust or mortgage, in which the borrower pre-authorizes the sale of property to pay off the balance on a loan in the event of the their default. In deeds of trust or mortgages where a power of sale exists, the power given to the lender to sell the property may be executed by the lender or their representative, typically referred to as the trustee. Regulations for this type of foreclosure process are outlined below in the "Power of Sale Foreclosure Guidelines".

[tiggerlgh]

 

Ican this is a non judicial state. There won’t be a case at the court house. The notifications will be in local newspapers.

 

OP you need to talk to who was servicing your second lien ASAP. You have a 6 month redemption period.

no, it's not just non judicial it's either or depending on the note, just like AZ

Judicial Foreclosure

The judicial process of foreclosure, which involves filing a lawsuit to obtain a court order to foreclose, is used when no power of sale is present in the mortgage or deed of trust. Generally, after the court declares a foreclosure, your home will be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

Non-Judicial Foreclosure

The non-judicial process of foreclosure is used when a power of sale clause exists in a mortgage or deed of trust. A "power of sale" clause is the clause in a deed of trust or mortgage, in which the borrower pre-authorizes the sale of property to pay off the balance on a loan in the event of the their default. In deeds of trust or mortgages where a power of sale exists, the power given to the lender to sell the property may be executed by the lender or their representative, typically referred to as the trustee. Regulations for this type of foreclosure process are outlined below in the "Power of Sale Foreclosure Guidelines".

Ok you are correct not all are non-judicial but the VAST majority are there. Based on what OP has posted I would bet money it was a non-judicial foreclosure like most are there.

[Reefermike]

i have the money to pay the entire debt off, while i would prefer not to let loose of that much money. i could do so, and i will if they would let me. Issue is the house at a breakeven place after more then 10 years. if sold today i may or may not loose, gain or breakeven. it would depend on the buyer.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Reefermike

[Kuuner]

i have the money to pay the entire debt off, while i would prefer not to let loose of that much money. i could do so, and i will if they would let me. Issue is the house at a breakeven place after more then 10 years. if sold today i may or may not loose, gain or breakeven. it would depend on the buyer.

 

If you have the money then it's more of a "What do you want to do" situation than, "What do you have to do". That's a good position to be in considering most people are not in that position of having options. If its a place your family knows as home, who cares if you make money, unless it's not a family home and all you care about is the money aspect. If that's the case, well, it's your decision. I'm sure you'll do a cost benefit analysis. I'm sure you've already considered the credit aspect. I'm sure you are considering the health impact this forced move may have on your ailing wife. Good luck with your decision.

[ICANHASMUNY?]

 

 

Ican this is a non judicial state. There won’t be a case at the court house. The notifications will be in local newspapers.

 

OP you need to talk to who was servicing your second lien ASAP. You have a 6 month redemption period.

no, it's not just non judicial it's either or depending on the note, just like AZ

 

Judicial Foreclosure

The judicial process of foreclosure, which involves filing a lawsuit to obtain a court order to foreclose, is used when no power of sale is present in the mortgage or deed of trust. Generally, after the court declares a foreclosure, your home will be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

Non-Judicial Foreclosure

The non-judicial process of foreclosure is used when a power of sale clause exists in a mortgage or deed of trust. A "power of sale" clause is the clause in a deed of trust or mortgage, in which the borrower pre-authorizes the sale of property to pay off the balance on a loan in the event of the their default. In deeds of trust or mortgages where a power of sale exists, the power given to the lender to sell the property may be executed by the lender or their representative, typically referred to as the trustee. Regulations for this type of foreclosure process are outlined below in the "Power of Sale Foreclosure Guidelines".

Ok you are correct not all are non-judicial but the VAST majority are there. Based on what OP has posted I would bet money it was a non-judicial foreclosure like most are there.

 

 

well if they sent the sheriff out with an eviction notice, something went thru court.

[Kuuner]

 

 

 

Ican this is a non judicial state. There won’t be a case at the court house. The notifications will be in local newspapers.

 

OP you need to talk to who was servicing your second lien ASAP. You have a 6 month redemption period.

no, it's not just non judicial it's either or depending on the note, just like AZ

 

Judicial Foreclosure

The judicial process of foreclosure, which involves filing a lawsuit to obtain a court order to foreclose, is used when no power of sale is present in the mortgage or deed of trust. Generally, after the court declares a foreclosure, your home will be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

Non-Judicial Foreclosure

The non-judicial process of foreclosure is used when a power of sale clause exists in a mortgage or deed of trust. A "power of sale" clause is the clause in a deed of trust or mortgage, in which the borrower pre-authorizes the sale of property to pay off the balance on a loan in the event of the their default. In deeds of trust or mortgages where a power of sale exists, the power given to the lender to sell the property may be executed by the lender or their representative, typically referred to as the trustee. Regulations for this type of foreclosure process are outlined below in the "Power of Sale Foreclosure Guidelines".

Ok you are correct not all are non-judicial but the VAST majority are there. Based on what OP has posted I would bet money it was a non-judicial foreclosure like most are there.

 

 

well if they sent the sheriff out with an eviction notice, something went thru court.

 

Yeah...could be just the eviction that went to court and not the foreclosure. if the foreclosure was judicial, you are still gonna use a sheriff for the eviction piece.