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It is a wonder how one guy got that many big guns into a hotel room. Somebody must have noticed something out of the ordinary and rationalized it away because they knew him and really didn't suspect he'd ever do anything like this. I think people will be coming forward saying "I thought it was funny he......" and "I wondered what ........ was."

 

oops! http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegas-shooter-200-reports-suspicious-activities-large-financial/story?id=50258986

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But we still can't talk about any kind of control..

 

I am pretty sure not many will like my comments, but that is how I feel.

The only control acceptable is that of the direction the weapon is pointed at.

 

 

banned from the thread. :angry: I said NO posting about gun control.

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As the article stated, "high rollers" in La$ Vega$ have SAR's filed frequently as they win and lose money. Nothing particularly unusual about that. I'm curious about how many of the over 13,000 SARs filed last year were from the casino industry nationwide.

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As the article stated, "high rollers" in La$ Vega$ have SAR's filed frequently as they win and lose money. Nothing particularly unusual about that. I'm curious about how many of the over 13,000 SARs filed last year were from the casino industry nationwide.

 

 

This seemed say low - and it is!

 

There were way more than that many SARs reported just by casinos.

In fact, overall, there were 1,726,971 SARs filed in 2014 and they were ramping up yearly. Casinos are a significant fraction of that. Last reported number I saw were 76k back around 2013 and they were nearly doubling every year.

 

Sheesh

 

https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/sar_report/SAR_Stats_2_FINAL.pdf

 

CTRs, which were most of the reports filed are done:

 

Casinos must file when a total of 10k or more cash is paid our or received during a 24h period at a casino to/from a person. The period has a defined, unpublished start hour that it resets at. This isn't generally noticed by gamblers since they have the info on file for most high rollers. Gambler's that are unaware of the regulation only find out if they are new to a casino and play for with cash only. If you were previously unknown to the casino and play at a few tables burning through over 10k you will be quietly pulled aside and asked for your info so the casino can fill out the report.

 

SARs are a bit rarer at casinos. The criteria is typically less than 10k cash (customer trying to avoid a CTR) gambling, typically short term, where the gambling involved appears more for the purpose of money laundering. IE:, low risk, small amounts relative to the amount of chips purchased.

 

Shooter no doubt had a marker account for convenience. There is still reporting for 10k but only when cash. Typically a high roller will write a check when checking out or some time later for their net losses. In the event their total winnings are over 10k gamblers will often take that in cash which will generate a CTR. If a lot more, they might take a check. Checks of any size don't generate CTRs.

 

 

Also, don't confuse SARs with CTRs. Different animals.

 

 

Just found out the owner of the landscaping company we use was at the festival at the time of the shooting.

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It is a wonder how one guy got that many big guns into a hotel room. Somebody must have noticed something out of the ordinary and rationalized it away because they knew him and really didn't suspect he'd ever do anything like this. I think people will be coming forward saying "I thought it was funny he......" and "I wondered what ........ was."

 

oops! http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegas-shooter-200-reports-suspicious-activities-large-financial/story?id=50258986

 

Rifles can be taken apart into pieces. AR platform rifles you just pull the rear pin, pivot the upper, take out the charging handle/bolt carrier group, take out the front pin. Could easily fit multiple rifles into one piece of luggage.

 

AR-cleaning_001.jpg

 

 

Same thing with a "sniper rifle" if it is an AR-15 platform

 

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Thanks. There are some photos floating around that are alleged to have been taken in the guy's room. If I see them again, I'll post them. They looked a little different, but I don't know much beyond ordinary rifles and shotguns, and don't put your shoulder against the tree. :D

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Will be interesting to see what comes up when they dig through his financial records. I'm thinking more and more that it was a case of pathological cognitive dissonance. He was a heavy gambler and apparently told his brother he was making money doing it. Sent snaps of large winnings to various other people too. The guy might have been wealthy (relatively) but gambling should only be done for fun with a good understanding of probable, mostly negative, outcomes during a session. There are a few exceptions such as poker (against humans) where a very few pros actually make money but he wasn't one of them.

 

And gamblers often develop strange ideas that their is some special way to come out ahead. This is exceedingly common.

 

So if the guy was, over many years, telling people around him (including gf) that he was making money but was actually digging a big hole, at some point it all comes crashing down.

 

Combine that with the criminal, pathological, nature of his father and the likely effects on him growing up with possible genetic influence as well. Then, when it became clear to him he couldn't keep up the façade he exited stage left doing as much damage in Sin City as possible.

You left out the part that his chick left him when she found out he was now broke.

 

 

They are saying he transferred $100k to his GF, who is in the Philippines, not Australia. So he's wasn't completely broke.

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here they are. Sorry, have to link to twitter. Give it a second to load the picture. https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/915305125077544960

They're basically the same as the images I posted.

 

One is an AR-15 variant with an Eotech holographic optic, a large capacity mag and a forward grip with integrated battery compartment to hold spare batteries for the Eotech.

 

The other is an AR-15 in an SPR build with glass and a Harris collapsing bipod.

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Will be interesting to see what comes up when they dig through his financial records. I'm thinking more and more that it was a case of pathological cognitive dissonance. He was a heavy gambler and apparently told his brother he was making money doing it. Sent snaps of large winnings to various other people too. The guy might have been wealthy (relatively) but gambling should only be done for fun with a good understanding of probable, mostly negative, outcomes during a session. There are a few exceptions such as poker (against humans) where a very few pros actually make money but he wasn't one of them.

 

And gamblers often develop strange ideas that their is some special way to come out ahead. This is exceedingly common.

 

So if the guy was, over many years, telling people around him (including gf) that he was making money but was actually digging a big hole, at some point it all comes crashing down.

 

Combine that with the criminal, pathological, nature of his father and the likely effects on him growing up with possible genetic influence as well. Then, when it became clear to him he couldn't keep up the façade he exited stage left doing as much damage in Sin City as possible.

You left out the part that his chick left him when she found out he was now broke.

 

 

They are saying he transferred $100k to his GF, who is in the Philippines, not Australia. So he's wasn't completely broke.

 

 

She is now. She was reported to be in Japan at the time of the shooting. Who knows for sure.

 

And that sort of money doesn't comport with the gf getting mad and leaving. Further, given the close timing, it suggests she might have might have had knowledge of his plans. GF is an Australian national but from the Philippines which is mostly Catholic. And there are reports her ethnic background is Indonesian which is mostly Islamic.

 

Curiouser and curiouser - as is the fuzzy reporting to date.

 

Perhaps the Daesh claims have substance? I now consider that distinctly possible.

 

 

Anyone seen reporting of liens on his considerable property holdings. If he was burning through money he'd have liens on most/all of it. They are public records. Where's the reporting?

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Yeah, bump fire. I am about as pro-2A as they come but I have problems with bump stocks. If automatics need to be regulated (I'm not sure they do) and bump stocks simulate what they do... If one is illegal I suppose anything that does the same thing (nearly) should also be. I've heard people say that the NRA will have trouble with this one. I happen to agree.

 

Sorry Breeze, I don't mean to break the rules, I just think this is important as many people are asking how he got automatic weapons. He didn't. But he bought a $100 stock that does almost the same thing.

 

Bump stocks will be illegal in weeks.

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Yeah, bump fire. I am about as pro-2A as they come but I have problems with bump stocks. If automatics need to be regulated (I'm not sure they do) and bump stocks simulate what they do... If one is illegal I suppose anything that does the same thing (nearly) should also be. I've heard people say that the NRA will have trouble with this one. I happen to agree.

 

Sorry Breeze, I don't mean to break the rules, I just think this is important as many people are asking how he got automatic weapons. He didn't. But he bought a $100 stock that does almost the same thing.

 

Bump stocks will be illegal in weeks.

No one knows what he did/had. He could have purchased an incomplete full auto lower/BCG. He could have purchase a blank lower and had it milled/finished. He could have gone straight black market.

 

As far as I am concerned, the speculation is intended to swing public opinion. Say he had a bump stock and even if he didn't 50 million people think he did and it sways their opinion.

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Yeah, bump fire. I am about as pro-2A as they come but I have problems with bump stocks. If automatics need to be regulated (I'm not sure they do) and bump stocks simulate what they do... If one is illegal I suppose anything that does the same thing (nearly) should also be. I've heard people say that the NRA will have trouble with this one. I happen to agree.

 

Sorry Breeze, I don't mean to break the rules, I just think this is important as many people are asking how he got automatic weapons. He didn't. But he bought a $100 stock that does almost the same thing.

 

Bump stocks will be illegal in weeks.

 

He could have easily bought an pre '86 machine gun for a few tens of thousands and a $200 tax stamp through a trust. No need for a sign off by the local chief. It's a legal loophole.

 

As a practical, and historical matter machine guns, legal or illegal, haven't been used in mass shootings. They aren't accurate and really are only useful where you have a high density of targets so pointing in the general direction and letting loose is effective. And that's exactly the situation at the Mandalay. A lot of people packed close together.

 

Also interesting is that it has been confirmed the shooter had set up videos. Not only to monitor the hall but to record his own shooting. There's stuff being withheld, and properly so. They are waiting for the chick to step back on US soil. Supposed to be tomorrow. We'll see,

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Yeah, bump fire. I am about as pro-2A as they come but I have problems with bump stocks. If automatics need to be regulated (I'm not sure they do) and bump stocks simulate what they do... If one is illegal I suppose anything that does the same thing (nearly) should also be. I've heard people say that the NRA will have trouble with this one. I happen to agree.

 

Sorry Breeze, I don't mean to break the rules, I just think this is important as many people are asking how he got automatic weapons. He didn't. But he bought a $100 stock that does almost the same thing.

 

Bump stocks will be illegal in weeks.

No one knows what he did/had. He could have purchased an incomplete full auto lower/BCG. He could have purchase a blank lower and had it milled/finished. He could have gone straight black market.

 

As far as I am concerned, the speculation is intended to swing public opinion. Say he had a bump stock and even if he didn't 50 million people think he did and it sways their opinion.

 

 

Except that LV Metro is saying at least two of his AR's had bump stocks. One at each window?

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Yeah, bump fire. I am about as pro-2A as they come but I have problems with bump stocks. If automatics need to be regulated (I'm not sure they do) and bump stocks simulate what they do... If one is illegal I suppose anything that does the same thing (nearly) should also be. I've heard people say that the NRA will have trouble with this one. I happen to agree.

 

Sorry Breeze, I don't mean to break the rules, I just think this is important as many people are asking how he got automatic weapons. He didn't. But he bought a $100 stock that does almost the same thing.

 

Bump stocks will be illegal in weeks.

 

He could have easily bought an pre '86 machine gun for a few tens of thousands and a $200 tax stamp through a trust. No need for a sign off by the local chief. It's a legal loophole.

 

As a practical, and historical matter machine guns, legal or illegal, haven't been used in mass shootings. They aren't accurate and really are only useful where you have a high density of targets so pointing in the general direction and letting loose is effective. And that's exactly the situation at the Mandalay. A lot of people packed close together.

 

Also interesting is that it has been confirmed the shooter had set up videos. Not only to monitor the hall but to record his own shooting. There's stuff being withheld, and properly so. They are waiting for the chick to step back on US soil. Supposed to be tomorrow. We'll see,

 

 

It's already been established that bump stocks were involved.

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Yeah, bump fire. I am about as pro-2A as they come but I have problems with bump stocks. If automatics need to be regulated (I'm not sure they do) and bump stocks simulate what they do... If one is illegal I suppose anything that does the same thing (nearly) should also be. I've heard people say that the NRA will have trouble with this one. I happen to agree.

 

Sorry Breeze, I don't mean to break the rules, I just think this is important as many people are asking how he got automatic weapons. He didn't. But he bought a $100 stock that does almost the same thing.

 

Bump stocks will be illegal in weeks.

 

He could have easily bought an pre '86 machine gun for a few tens of thousands and a $200 tax stamp through a trust. No need for a sign off by the local chief. It's a legal loophole.

 

As a practical, and historical matter machine guns, legal or illegal, haven't been used in mass shootings. They aren't accurate and really are only useful where you have a high density of targets so pointing in the general direction and letting loose is effective. And that's exactly the situation at the Mandalay. A lot of people packed close together.

 

Also interesting is that it has been confirmed the shooter had set up videos. Not only to monitor the hall but to record his own shooting. There's stuff being withheld, and properly so. They are waiting for the chick to step back on US soil. Supposed to be tomorrow. We'll see,

 

 

It's already been established that bump stocks were involved.

 

 

Agreed. Just pointing out full auto are legal in Nevada and not all that hard to get - just expensive. Bump stocks are way cheaper and apparently quite popular. Looks like that's all he had. It was enough. Still makes no sense why this guy went down this road. Old folks don't, as a rule, get that fired up. There's also a report he tried to rent a suite in a high rise overlooking another event the week before but was unable to get it. In any case this was a long, thought out, effective attack.

 

 

reuters: http://news.trust.org/item/20171003193434-ladhk

Lombardo, who said on Monday Danley was believed to be in Tokyo, told reporters on Tuesday she had been located in the Philippines and the Federal Bureau of Investigation was in the process of trying to bring her back to the United States.

 

"trying?" Uh huh.

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We'll see. I forget which news report it was, but the theory is that since his guns, ammo, and explosives were all over the residences and vehicles, she had to be aware of them. Who knows?

 

There is a lot we don't know.

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We'll see. I forget which news report it was, but the theory is that since his guns, ammo, and explosives were all over the residences and vehicles, she had to be aware of them. Who knows?

 

There is a lot we don't know.

 

There's an interview with some employees at a casino located Starbucks where they recall the guy standing out because he treated his gf really badly. She would ask for him to use his club card to get the drinks for "free" and he would loudly put her down saying something like I'll pay just like I pay for you. Weird.

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CNN:

 

A sister: "She didn't even know that she was going to the Philippines, until Steve said, 'Marilou, I found you a cheap ticket to the Philippines.' "

 

Danley, 62, who travels on an Australian passport, arrived in the Philippines from Tokyo on September 15, then left for Hong Kong on September 22 and flew back to the Philippines on September 25, said Maria Antoinette Mangrobang, a spokeswoman for the Philippine Bureau of Immigration

 

Cheap ticket to the Philippines? What's with the side trip(s)?

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There's more to that interview, or another interview. The sister said he sent her away so she couldn't interfere.

 

Leaked interview results (grain of salt): she knew there were weapons and explosives in the house, but didn't know why, didn't ask. Also, he ordered room service for two.

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