SouthWorst Airlines goes all United...

[hegemony]

https://consumerist.com/2017/09/27/southwest-airlines-apologizes-after-video-shows-woman-being-forcibly-removed-from-plane/

[cv91915]

$20 says she is vegan.

[breeze]

[Konrad2012]

I guess people's "emotional support animal" rights trump the rights of those who have anaphylactic reactions to certain animals.

 

This whole deal of taking your dog or cat or turkey everywhere is lame

[breeze]

But it's the law. People who have anaphylactic shock reaction to something as common as a dog should carry their injector pen with them at all times. Maybe she did it all on purpose thinking she'd get a settlement after she refused to deplane and they drug her off.

 

One of the animals was a pet, not a support animal. I agree about the "support" barnyard animals.

[Sidewinder]

I guess people's "emotional support animal" rights trump the rights of those who have anaphylactic reactions to certain animals.

 

This whole deal of taking your dog or cat or turkey everywhere is lame

 

But then why didn't she exercise her right to - you know - bring along a medical certificate (and/or injector penlike breeze says).

[hegemony]

what about my right to not be around flight attendants who sing at me?

[snicks]

People who have that serious of allergic shock reactions to anything not just dogs, know that they need to have an epi pen with them at all times. Why did she not? anyway, considering the atmosphere on my last few flights I would much rather have the dogs and cats as my seat mates than some of the human variety now a days!

[IndyPoolPlayer]

what about my right to not be around flight attendants who sing at me?

Then fly on American or Delta

[Sidewinder]

turkey

 

Mmmmmmmmmmm, turkey...

[JeffeVerde]

People who have that serious of allergic shock reactions to anything not just dogs, know that they need to have an epi pen with them at all times. Why did she not? anyway, considering the atmosphere on my last few flights I would much rather have the dogs and cats as my seat mates than some of the human variety now a days!

 

Umm... maybe because she doesn't actually have a life-threatening allergy, and she just said that because she didn't want the animal seated near her?

 

Southwest's position is "If you claim to have a life threatening allergy to something on the plane, we're going to remove you from the plane for your one well-being", Since the plane has already been contaminated with whatever it is that you're claiming to be allergic to, simply removing that thing isn't enough to protect you from exposure, and they don't want you turning purple mid-flight.

 

Watching the video -- why don't the aviation police immediately handcuff a passenger who refuses to deplane? It would significantly reduce the circus factor if the pax being ejected didn't have their hands free to grab onto every seat back on their way down the aisle.

[Zobelle]

Humans only in cabin should be the law. If you need a pet on your flight for emotional support, the only place you need to be on a flight to should have padded walls.

[snicks]

Humans only in cabin should be the law. If you need a pet on your flight for emotional support, the only place you need to be on a flight to should have padded walls.

 

That's kind of a cold statement. I see vets and disabled all the time with their service animals. sure some people probably are taking advantage of the law with fake support (buying a vest on ebay kind of thing) but there is a true need for the animals for our vets and disabled. To say that they need to be in a padded room is just wrong.. I hope it was a joke.

 

on the other hand I still stand by my statement that I would much rather sit or ride with most dogs or cats than a lot of the disgusting acting humans that seem to be everywhere in this and age. lol Or even decent people who bring screaming or bratty kids.. Much rather have the dogs then get my seat kicked by an 8 yr old while numerous infants are screaming away.. now that's sure legal too, but does not make for a pleasant flight.

Edited September 29, 2017 by snicks

[cv91915]

$20 says she is vegan.

 

I haven't found any proof that she's vegan just yet, however I found some information that virtually guarantees that she is a human headache to all she encounters:

 

Daulatzai teaches at the Maryland Institute College of Art... she is a socio-cultural anthropologist in the Humanistic Studies department.

[Zobelle]

What on gods green earth does that even mean? Call me simple, but this is what I get from that doubletalk mumbo jumbo:

Human body parts displayed in an artistic manner and how this affects others... So she's a cam girl or teaches others in the "art" of.

[Zobelle]

 

Humans only in cabin should be the law. If you need a pet on your flight for emotional support, the only place you need to be on a flight to should have padded walls.

That's kind of a cold statement. I see vets and disabled all the time with their service animals. sure some people probably are taking advantage of the law with fake support (buying a vest on ebay kind of thing) but there is a true need for the animals for our vets and disabled. To say that they need to be in a padded room is just wrong.. I hope it was a joke.

 

on the other hand I still stand by my statement that I would much rather sit or ride with most dogs or cats than a lot of the disgusting acting humans that seem to be everywhere in this and age. lol Or even decent people who bring screaming or bratty kids.. Much rather have the dogs then get my seat kicked by an 8 yr old while numerous infants are screaming away.. now that's sure legal too, but does not make for a pleasant flight.

Cold statement or not.

 

Maybe they should require those who don't have actual .gov paperwork for a legitimate *service* animal, to buy an entire 3-4 seat row if they want their comfort canary, cuddly cat, or delightful dog" etc flying with them, additionally: anything less than a full Y fare can be bumped to accomodate overbooking.

[snicks]

 

$20 says she is vegan.

 

I haven't found any proof that she's vegan just yet, however I found some information that virtually guarantees that she is a human headache to all she encounters:

 

Daulatzai teaches at the Maryland Institute College of Art... she is a socio-cultural anthropologist in the Humanistic Studies department.

 

+111111 I can tell just by reading the article I would much rather sit next to the dog than her!

[mk_378]

Flying on a cut-rate airline can be an important lesson in anthropology.

[Zobelle]

WN isn't any more cut rate than any of the big three, TBH. Particularly with "Basic Economy" fares.

[hegemony]

Humans only in cabin should be the law. If you need a pet on your flight for emotional support, the only place you need to be on a flight to should have padded walls.

 

tell that to my friend who has a service animal for ptsd... I'm sure he can tell you some stories of what he did in Operation Phantom Fury.

[Zobelle]

My point was more so to ban all "emotional support" animals without .gov docs proving official *service animal* certification.

No docs? No dogs.

 

A healthy compromise however would be allow someone to buy a row (ABC, DEF, etc) if they want to bring "emotional support" in a non human form. As well as anything under full fare Y/C/F can be bumped for allergies or other pax conflict. It's time to stop letting the weakest 1% ruin it for everyone else.

Edited September 30, 2017 by Zobelle

[snicks]

A healthy compromise however would be allow someone to buy a row (ABC, DEF, etc) if they want to bring "emotional support" in a non human form. As well as anything under full fare Y/C/F can be bumped for allergies or other pax conflict. It's time to stop letting the weakest 1% ruin it for everyone else.

WOW! I really hope that I am misunderstanding your statement about the weakest 1 percent ruining it for everyone else. That sounds like something Hitler and his cronies believed in and said back in the 30s! Our vets we OWE and the disabled we need to help! I hope you really didn't mean what you said the way it comes off..

[Zobelle]

A Veteran or Legally disabled individual would likely know and bear the proper .gov documents for their *service animal*.

 

I'm referring to the pantywaists currently abusing the system with "emotional support" pets which aren't doc'd, nor certified; and likely are just a capricious demand.

Edited September 30, 2017 by Zobelle

[breeze]

They do have to have documentation to have a support animal, usually these are dogs. There are people, though, who have gotten documentation for other animals. All they have to have is a doctor's cert that they need that animal's support of whatever kind it is. Also, people can pay to have an animal travel with them. Personally, I've seem people with small dogs hidden in their purses, who seemed to be getting away with it. Just an observation, I don't know for sure.

 

I don't like for people to abuse the system, but I also don't like prima donnas who make a scene over a fake allergy or something similar. We should try to get along and tolerate others' quirks. Hopefully, they'll tolerate ours.

[cv91915]

About a year ago I watched a woman try to get a quart of soup in a Styrofoam container through the TSA checkpoint in San Diego by waving around a note from her nutritionist.