QUOTE (nothingtolose @ Sep 20 2009, 06:02 PM)

Yes, it would be cool if the same extended to the private sector --> a mandatory 6.2% tax-deferred contribution to 401(x) with mandatory match by employer in addition to voluntary retirement saving vehicles such as traditional and Roth IRA/401(k).
The concern about putting that money with a private sector firm or individual workers not investing enough in stocks etc can be addressed by mandating a lifecycle type allocation that starts at 60-80% in stocks and shifts to 10-20% stocks closer to retirement, and they could even put that money in a government run mutual fund corp with a separate balance sheet, as long as the money is kept in an individual retirement saving account and can be withdrawn at retirement up to the amount saved + investment gains accrued on the retirement contributions from that individual worker.
But then the fed government won't get any new SS money to bankroll existing SS liabilities and the system would go under much faster than 2040.

Even at minimum wage for 40 years of employment, saving 6.2% with an equal employer match would result in $390,886 by retirement age, assuming 7% interest, with some assumptions.
If, upon retirement, you move that to a less risky vehicle, say at 5%- that'll provide you about a $15K/ year income without touching the principle.
Not great, but not that much worse than current SS benefits either. Having the $390,886 to leave to heirs if you wish would be a nice plus too.
The problem is- there are no guarantees. No guarantee that you'll be employed thus able to save for 40 years, or that you'll get a decent rate of return when you do. What happens when 10 years worth of gains are wiped out (as we just watched happen) just a few years before you retire? Can you get along on what's left?
SS OTOH will cover you, even if you become permanently disabled after working just a few years.
You could buy a LT Disability policy, but there goes another chunk of cash every month for something SS provides for the same money you're already paying in.
SS was never intended to be a complete retirement plan, it was supposed to be a "safety net" that keeps seniors out of poverty if their private retirement plans fall apart. Because private plans can and do fall apart at times, sometimes at the worst possible moment.
I can see where having that money to invest privately would be attractive.... until you hit 65, have health problems that make FT work impossible, and realize your investment firm bought way too much GM.

Hope you like er...cat food.