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Mayor
QUOTE (Continental @ Mar 16 2009, 03:13 PM) *
WRONG. None of them have such a policy at corporate level. What are the addresses of these violating franchises?

Gap, Hollywood Video, and Office DEpot don't franschise out. I worked all for the actual company.. Though, Blockbuster does franchise there locations -- if your getting confused with them.

With that, I'm going to get off the subject...
GEORGE
YOU DON'T LIKE THE CREDIT CARD POLICY (no ID on signed credit cards) DON'T TAKE CREDIT CARDS
GEORGE
QUOTE (Mayor @ Mar 15 2009, 10:13 PM) *
You know -- Unless your talking to the owner/GM of a store... There is no point with giving the cashier a hard time. There not the ones who are making the decisions, there following what there boss told them. I think there's more things to stress about in life than showing my id.

THE CASHIER HAS EASIER ACCESS TO THE MANAGEMENT THEN I DO

THEY CAN PASS ON THE VIOLATION MESSAGE

MAYBE THE MANAGER DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE

IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE CASHIER(s) MADE UP THE "RULE" W/O MANAGEMENT EVEN KNOWING

THE CASHIER(s) CAN GIVE A CLUE TO UPPER MANAGEMENT
GEORGE
QUOTE (Continental @ Mar 16 2009, 02:13 PM) *
WRONG. None of them have such a policy at corporate level. What are the addresses of these violating franchises?

I was told by some customers that all the LOCAL grocery stores take expired coupons

I called management at 3 local grocery stores

They ALL said they don't take expired coupons ON-PURPOSE

As usual the customer's lied

AS COUPONS GO...SO GOES CORPORATE POLICY ABOUT ASKING FOR ID ON SIGNED CREDIT CARDS

(no such policy) about asking for ID on signed credit cards
Mayor
QUOTE (GEORGE @ Mar 16 2009, 05:06 PM) *
QUOTE (Mayor @ Mar 15 2009, 10:13 PM) *
You know -- Unless your talking to the owner/GM of a store... There is no point with giving the cashier a hard time. There not the ones who are making the decisions, there following what there boss told them. I think there's more things to stress about in life than showing my id.

THE CASHIER HAS EASIER ACCESS TO THE MANAGEMENT THEN I DO

THEY CAN PASS ON THE VIOLATION MESSAGE

MAYBE THE MANAGER DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE

IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE CASHIER(s) MADE UP THE "RULE" W/O MANAGEMENT EVEN KNOWING

THE CASHIER(s) CAN GIVE A CLUE TO UPPER MANAGEMENT



Hence, it's easier just talk to management.. Usually in most places some kind of manager is there. If the cashier is lieing he will be corrected.
Continental
QUOTE (GEORGE @ Mar 16 2009, 06:06 PM) *
THE CASHIER MADE UP THE "RULE" W/O MANAGEMENT EVEN KNOWING

Exactly. Don’t assume the crooked cashier was told to do this by someone else. Violating cashier may well have made up his own prohibited and insulting policy on-the-spot. At any rate, simply call 1-800-VISA-911. They will walk the idiot cashier step-by-step through proper card acceptance procedure.

CREDIT CARD SIGNATURE IS ALL THE ID NEEDED

When you pay for merchandise with a Visa card, MasterCard, or American Express any store that accepts these cards should accept yours too, no questions asked. It's part of the deal that merchants agree to when they become participating members.

They must check your signature and the card - electronically or by telephone - to be sure it's valid. Once the answer comes up yes, they can go ahead and charge. They can't ask you for any further identification - not a license plate number, Social Security number, proof of address, phone number or photo ID.

Your personal ID isn't needed because Visa, MasterCard, and American Express all guarantee payment on cards that have been properly checked. If the issuer mistakenly authorizes a sale on a bad card, it should make good. MasterCard says that merchants receive instant settlement. The contract MasterCard merchants sign specifically prevents them from asking for personal ID.

Unfortunately, not all merchants play by the rules. Some, apparently, haven't read them.

WHAT YOU CAN DO

MasterCard wants to hear about merchants who break their rules. Send the name and address and an account of what happened to MasterCard WorldWide 2000 Purchase St. Purchase, NY 10577 or call 1-800-300-3069. The merchant's bank will get a stiff letter, ordering it to investigate and bring the offending store into line - or pay a $2,000 fine. You may also report violations online:

http://www.mastercard.com/us/personal/en/c...violations.html

Visa enforces the same rules as MasterCard. "When we hear about a violation, we ask the bank that signed the merchant to get together with the merchant and see that the practice is stopped," Visa representative states. To report a merchant, send a letter to the bank that that issued your Visa card or call 1-800-VISA-911.

American Express also prohibits merchants from asking for IDs. "All a merchant is supposed to do is take an imprint, make sure the signature matches and swipe the card through the terminal, to get authorization."



webworm98
QUOTE (centex @ Mar 16 2009, 10:34 AM) *
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 14 2009, 06:02 PM) *
Wanted to clarify one thing:

My identity thieve, got into my mail, ordered new credit cards and replacement cards for my existing legitimate accounts.

He received the cards and signed them with a signature of his own that was my name.

In other words - the theory you quote would not work in the slightest for this form of identity theft. I hope you would see this as the flaw in the process you so adamantly promote.

Baggy


Baggy, the robotrons around here don't care about things like that. To many of them, what you went through and what I went through are problems that zero-liability should have taken care of...never mind that zero-liability didn't do a damned thing to prevent me from remaining in MBNA's computer for adverse action based upon, you guessed it, fraudulent losses. Those records followed to BofA following the merger, and it is BofA that has now penalized me for something that was not my fault and COULD have been prevented had anyone bothered to look at identification.



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Are you saying that the zero liability policy does not work? Could you elaborate more on the details?
GEORGE
My ID is safest by staying in my wallet



orangecrush
QUOTE (Mayor @ Mar 16 2009, 02:05 PM) *
I've worked for Gap, Hollywood Video, Office Depot, etc... They all teach you to check id. No exceptions. Especially Office Depot -- Since people tend to purchase expensive things and C/B tend to be a big issue there.



I have employees who say that is incorrect with regards to training in this area.
Continental
Centex, take it up with BofA, not the rest of society.. You want the rest of the world to suffer and put themselves at risk just so YOU MAYBE won’t have some bank record somewhere? Unbelievable! Obviously it a major security and identity theft risk, extreme invasion of privacy and a no-brainer to keep your ID to yourself. No reasonable adult would hand over their ID to some violating cashier on demand. The most important thing is making sure it never happens again, so if any violating merchant should ever pop-up in your community, make sure they are eliminated/brought back into line immediately - 1-800-VISA-911.


GEORGE
I really want to know WHY people won't show their ID to the lady washing her car at the car wash

...won't show your ID to the guy walking down the street

...won't show your ID to the trash man

...won't show your ID to the guy checking out books at the library

...won't show your ID to the lady eating lunch at the sidewalk cafe

BUT WILL SHOW YOUR ID TO THE CASHIER WITH-OUT BATTING AN EYE

(some even demand it--->CID is your new name)

(not saying ALL cashiers are bad people)

As with any job...there are some bad apples
Continental
QUOTE (Uncle Leo @ Mar 16 2009, 12:57 PM) *
My son works retail for a national chain and they're told they will flat-out be fired if they ask for ID.

As they should be. Any violating cashier must be eliminated.

centex
QUOTE (webworm98 @ Mar 16 2009, 06:51 PM) *
QUOTE (centex @ Mar 16 2009, 10:34 AM) *
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 14 2009, 06:02 PM) *
Wanted to clarify one thing:

My identity thieve, got into my mail, ordered new credit cards and replacement cards for my existing legitimate accounts.

He received the cards and signed them with a signature of his own that was my name.

In other words - the theory you quote would not work in the slightest for this form of identity theft. I hope you would see this as the flaw in the process you so adamantly promote.

Baggy


Baggy, the robotrons around here don't care about things like that. To many of them, what you went through and what I went through are problems that zero-liability should have taken care of...never mind that zero-liability didn't do a damned thing to prevent me from remaining in MBNA's computer for adverse action based upon, you guessed it, fraudulent losses. Those records followed to BofA following the merger, and it is BofA that has now penalized me for something that was not my fault and COULD have been prevented had anyone bothered to look at identification.



offtopic.gif

Are you saying that the zero liability policy does not work? Could you elaborate more on the details?

In my case, it is CLEAR it did not work. The problems should have ceased once the police reports were provided to each affected lender/creditor with whom losses were incurred. Instead, I was left playing whack-a-mole with several entities that accounted for roughly $160K of the nearly $200K in fraud-related losses. $40K or so of that amount was with MBNA and their successor entity has continued to hold it against me as the sole basis for multiple incidents of denied applications or adverse action. So yes, it is my contention that zero liability is a crock.
webworm98
QUOTE (centex @ Mar 17 2009, 12:38 PM) *
QUOTE (webworm98 @ Mar 16 2009, 06:51 PM) *
QUOTE (centex @ Mar 16 2009, 10:34 AM) *
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 14 2009, 06:02 PM) *
Wanted to clarify one thing:

My identity thieve, got into my mail, ordered new credit cards and replacement cards for my existing legitimate accounts.

He received the cards and signed them with a signature of his own that was my name.

In other words - the theory you quote would not work in the slightest for this form of identity theft. I hope you would see this as the flaw in the process you so adamantly promote.

Baggy


Baggy, the robotrons around here don't care about things like that. To many of them, what you went through and what I went through are problem

s that zero-liability should have taken care of...never mind that zero-liability didn't do a damned thing to prevent me from remaining in MBNA's computer for adverse action based upon, you guessed it, fraudulent losses. Those records followed to BofA following the merger, and it is BofA that has now penalized me for something that was not my fault and COULD have been prevented had anyone bothered to look at identification.



offtopic.gif

Are you saying that the zero liability policy does not work? Could you elaborate more on the details?

In my case, it is CLEAR it did not work. The problems should have ceased once the police reports were provided to each affected lender/creditor with whom losses were incurred. Instead, I was left playing whack-a-mole with several entities that accounted for roughly $160K of the nearly $200K in fraud-related losses. $40K or so of that amount was with MBNA and their successor entity has continued to hold it against me as the sole basis for multiple incidents of denied applications or adverse action. So yes, it is my contention that zero liability is a crock.


It maybe too late to get a credit but you still might be able to do the following.

I don't know if it is Mastercard or Visa. You might want to give them a call and tell the MBNA and their successors or collection agency didnt honor the zero liability policy.

However, you still should file a complaint with the consumer division of Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and maybe even the FTC.

If you can prove the negative information on your report was caused by fraud. You might be able to sue the card company and their collection agency and their successors for defamation of character. I am not a lawyer, so check with one.
Continental
QUOTE (ProfessorMom @ Mar 14 2009, 11:14 AM) *
I totally and completely disagree on the principal of it. I'm a mother of four trying to take care of my family. What makes anyone so special that they can blatantly violate policy?!?!? It's people who don't care who let this become more and more of a problem. I understand about not ripping into the cashier (as I stated above) but I have no problem at all going to management about it. I DO NOT think it's ok to let someone violate policy. It has nothing to do with growing up. I teach my children that if something is not right, you SHOULD question it. If everyone just went along with what someone else told them or did, this would be a pretty crazy place to live. You should stand up for your rights.

AMEN


Mayor
QUOTE (orangecrush @ Mar 16 2009, 08:43 PM) *
QUOTE (Mayor @ Mar 16 2009, 02:05 PM) *
I've worked for Gap, Hollywood Video, Office Depot, etc... They all teach you to check id. No exceptions. Especially Office Depot -- Since people tend to purchase expensive things and C/B tend to be a big issue there.



I have employees who say that is incorrect with regards to training in this area.

Who knows if it's different per region. Every region has it's own management.. I can only speak for where I worked in Texas region.. Don't know what area your in tho...
Continental
QUOTE (Mayor @ Mar 17 2009, 01:37 PM) *
I can only speak for where I worked

What are the addresses of the the violating stores?
GEORGE
QUOTE (Continental @ Mar 16 2009, 09:52 PM) *
QUOTE (Uncle Leo @ Mar 16 2009, 12:57 PM) *
My son works retail for a national chain and they're told they will flat-out be fired if they ask for ID.

As they should be. Any violating cashier must be eliminated.

It would be cheaper to make the cashier RE-TRAIN all the other cashiers on the "REAL" credit card policy
Continental
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I hate it. It makes me feel as if they think I am too poor to have credit cards, or I am an actual ID thief. I have reported several merchants in my town already, and so far I think I have changed the ways of my local Walmart store. I carry a copy of the visa merchant rules in my wallet, and whenever I run into a problem I pull them out just as if I were in a court of law and say that what they are doing in violation of the agreement as well as the fact that they can be fined $2,000. If they further refuse, I call 1-800-VISA-911, and have a foreign operator tell them what they're doing is wrong. I am definitely not afraid to call people on their mistakes.

centex
QUOTE (webworm98 @ Mar 17 2009, 11:51 AM) *
If you can prove the negative information on your report was caused by fraud. You might be able to sue the card company and their collection agency and their successors for defamation of character. I am not a lawyer, so check with one.


You could say that I did...in between my obligations to other clients.

The information is no longer on the reports, as it has since aged off. While there was a valid argument for litigation, I ultimately decided against pursuing the claim because I didn't have the time to put into it myself and I knew that litigation with the OC's and the bureaus would have been quite protracted. I also wasn't going to ask someone who did more civil work to take it on a contingency basis and I didn't feel like wrapping a good $10-20K into a case out of my pocket hoping that we got a return on the back end.

No CA or JDB ever hung around after they got my first letter...they knew they didn't want to tangle with me on my home turf in Travis County (and my filings were iron-clad enough to where they would have withstood any attempt to remove it a few streets over to federal).

Neither Visa nor MasterCard seemed interested in the matter.

The bottom line in all of it was that they vast majority of the losses could have been prevented had there been a practice in place by which identity was checked. Very little of the losses were associated with online purchases.
Continental
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Point is, if a thief is anything but a total idiot, he'll have already either gotten a fake ID before he goes to use the cards he stole, or he'll have cloned the info off the mag stripe on the card he stole to a new card, WELL BEFORE you ever get to see his smiling face. For a real CC fraudster, checking his ID isn't gonna do squat.

So, the net result of your insistence on IDs is probably very unlikely to stop an actual CC thief and a lot more likely to inconvenience and P.O. your true customers. Plus, as stated here, it is definitely against the issuer's policies, and someone will eventually report you.

The multibillion dollar CC companies already fully protect their customers from fraud and unauthorized use, they really don't need a checkout clerk to help them out.

webworm98
Visa and Mastercard should be interested in banks not following the rule. They are the ones that advertise the Zero liability policy a lot. I even used it once and got all my money back.
Continental
Centex, focus on keeping your own credit cards secure rather than expecting the rest of the world to suffer and put themselves at risk at every transaction just so YOU MAYBE won‘t have some BofA record. Obviously it is a major security and identity theft risk, extreme invasion of privacy, and a no-brainer to keep your ID to yourself. No reasonable adult would hand over their ID to some violating cashier on demand. The most important thing is making sure it never happens again, so if any violating merchant should ever pop-up in your community, make sure they are eliminated/brought back into line immediately - 1-800-VISA-911.


Uncle Leo
QUOTE (Continental @ Mar 17 2009, 09:33 PM) *
Centex, focus on keeping your own credit cards secure rather than expecting the rest of the world to suffer and put themselves at risk at every transaction just so YOU MAYBE won‘t have some BofA record. Obviously it is a major security and identity theft risk, extreme invasion of privacy, and a no-brainer to keep your ID to yourself. No reasonable adult would hand over their ID to some violating cashier on demand. The most important thing is making sure it never happens again, so if any violating merchant should ever pop-up in your community, make sure they are eliminated/brought back into line immediately - 1-800-VISA-911.


I don't recall Centex ever advocating the showing of ID specifically, but rather she points out how "zero liability" is sometimes nothing but a crock. (She's not the only one, either, who can cite similar personal experience) But even if she did/does advocate ID showing, your response here is nothing but a smoke screen and does NOTHING to address the failing of "zero liability". Bottom line, you don't have an answer, do you?


Continental
QUOTE
These cashiers are not mindless idiots. Some of them, in fact, are both intelligent and criminal. One only needs to scan the newspaper to read about some ingenious cashier involved in the latest credit-card scam du jour. Because I don't know which ones possess both intelligence and criminal tendencies, I'd rather keep my identification in my wallet so that I don't have to find out. In the end, I'd simply rather keep my full legal name, address, date of birth, and driver license number private.

Continental
QUOTE (TimothyPHX1 @ Mar 14 2009, 12:27 PM) *
After my complaints-

The local Circle K's are no longer asking for ID.

Thank you for taking the time to make a difference. smile.gif

To report, simply call 1-800-VISA-911, press zero twice, and ask to file an "incident report" regarding a merchant violation/merchant who required ID. Crooked merchants shape-up quickly to avoid suspension. Make sure your community is 100% violation-free. smile.gif


Baggy
There have been many replies here since I last posted - forgive me, but I was angry at the lack of understanding from a community who should have every empathy.

Two years later from my identity theft, I continue to pay over $600 a month to a lawyer, for what amounts to a bunch of letters to various creditors and credit reporting agencies for nothing than 'build a case'....as I'm told.

I'm still prohibited from access to credit, because the CRA's state I'm in repossession for some accounts that have been paid in full....and a credit history littered with hard inquiries and apparent debt to the order of over $100K.

I can't continue to write more....I came here for help and inspiration to resolve my problems....as a British guy who was so inspired to move to this county in the first instance......I am very disappointed in the reality.
GEORGE
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 20 2009, 07:52 PM) *
There have been many replies here since I last posted - forgive me, but I was angry at the lack of understanding from a community who should have every empathy.

Two years later from my identity theft, I continue to pay over $600 a month to a lawyer, for what amounts to a bunch of letters to various creditors and credit reporting agencies for nothing than 'build a case'....as I'm told.

I'm still prohibited from access to credit, because the CRA's state I'm in repossession for some accounts that have been paid in full....and a credit history littered with hard inquiries and apparent debt to the order of over $100K.

I can't continue to write more....I came here for help and inspiration to resolve my problems....as a British guy who was so inspired to move to this county in the first instance......I am very disappointed in the reality.

offtopic.gif

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR ARE GETTING AT

What does the subject of the post have to do with your problem???
Baggy
QUOTE (GEORGE @ Mar 20 2009, 10:33 PM) *
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 20 2009, 07:52 PM) *
There have been many replies here since I last posted - forgive me, but I was angry at the lack of understanding from a community who should have every empathy.

Two years later from my identity theft, I continue to pay over $600 a month to a lawyer, for what amounts to a bunch of letters to various creditors and credit reporting agencies for nothing than 'build a case'....as I'm told.

I'm still prohibited from access to credit, because the CRA's state I'm in repossession for some accounts that have been paid in full....and a credit history littered with hard inquiries and apparent debt to the order of over $100K.

I can't continue to write more....I came here for help and inspiration to resolve my problems....as a British guy who was so inspired to move to this county in the first instance......I am very disappointed in the reality.

offtopic.gif

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR ARE GETTING AT

What does the subject of the post have to do with your problem???


Read all the posts since my last entry and this one - and all will be revealed !!!! Just like magic !!!!
GEORGE
I have a LICENSE TO DRIVE A CAR or TRUCK

My card is signed

The signature on the DRIVER'S LICENSE was signed 15 or 20 years ago

The signature on the back of the card was signed in the past 3 years (maybe in the past month)

What signature is better to compare the slip to???
Continental
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Exposing an address or a driver's license number is completely unacceptable for making a purchase that has no need for that information. A $10 transaction does not need personal information to be exposed, and a $5000 transaction does not either. Who would want to become a target of BURGLARY because an ID check allowed a CRIMINAL to know exactly where thousands of dollars of high end goods would be taken after purchase?

States have stepped up to keep account numbers and expiration dates off of receipts, for good reason. That information does not enhance the function of a receipt, and is wholly unnecessary. Information should be kept private except when necessary. This is security 101, folks.

My address or driver's license number are not relevant to a credit card purchase and have no reason to become a part of it.

Cactus Flower
I just produce it, it is not a big deal to me.

I have never had a cashier grab my license, examine it closely, write down numbers or appear to be memorizing it for use later on (eye roll).

They appear, to me, to be comparing the name on the ID to the name on the credit card.
That may not be fool proof, but I certainly have come to appreciate it in the era of ID theft and fraud.

PS) the cashiers are JUST DOING THEIR JOB ...

if you are going to complain, try the store manager.

I am sure most employees that *need a job* do not have the leverage to tell their boss they won't do something that is store policy.

Off of my soapbox.


Continental
QUOTE (Cactus Flower @ Mar 20 2009, 11:57 PM) *
the era of ID theft

Your address, driver’s license number, birthdate, etc. are none of the cashier’s business.

Obviously it is a major security and identity theft risk, extreme invasion of privacy, and a no-brainer to keep your ID to yourself. No reasonable adult would hand over their ID to some violating cashier on demand. The most important thing is making sure it never happens again, so if any violating merchant should ever pop-up in your community, make sure they are eliminated/brought back into line immediately - 1-800-VISA-911.


Continental
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My mother experienced identity theft few years ago. With her, we suspect that mail theft (of preapproval applications) was the avenue of opportunity. The crook is still not apprehended, and went as far as to submit a change of address. I'm surprised that things were resolved as quickly and as smoothly as they did, given the circumstances.

A close friend of mine experienced identity theft a few years ago, as well. With him, we suspect that a cashier or a hidden camera recorded the information on his driver's license (based on the fact that his driver's license number was used in fraudulent applications). He wasn't so lucky. The recovery process was miserable hell and then some.

Grizzly Bear
Hey Cactus Flower............
Grizzly Bear
QUOTE (Cactus Flower @ Mar 21 2009, 12:57 AM) *
I just produce it, it is not a big deal to me.

I have never had a cashier grab my license, examine it closely, write down numbers or appear to be memorizing it for use later on (eye roll).

They appear, to me, to be comparing the name on the ID to the name on the credit card.
That may not be fool proof, but I certainly have come to appreciate it in the era of ID theft and fraud.

PS) the cashiers are JUST DOING THEIR JOB ...

if you are going to complain, try the store manager.

I am sure most employees that *need a job* do not have the leverage to tell their boss they won't do something that is store policy.

Off of my soapbox.


So... because SOME merchants ask for ID you feel protected?!!!!! Well hot DOG - a fraudster couldn't possibly just find somewhere else to use the card.

Here's a news flash: Until nearly 100 percent of all merchants require ID ( and risk fines and suspension for violating their merchant agreement ), asking for ID will be of absolutely no help to you.
GEORGE
MY LICENSE IS SAFEST IN MY WALLET THAT STAYS IN MY POCKET
GEORGE
"JUST DOING THEIR JOB" is not always the case
GEORGE
So I show my ID with my card...who did I protect from UNAUTHORIZED CARD USE???

What changes if I refuse to show my ID with my card???

thelowpriceleader
The point Baggy is that if you think a cashier IDing whoever took your card would have prevented you from all of these problems, you are simply wrong. As you said, you were out of the country and someone got your new card in the mail. They had ample time to obtain a Fake ID (and I can guarantee you they did).

What would have prevented this would have been a system involving a PIN number attached to the card, or not leaving the dang card in a mailbox for weeks while you were out of the country in the first place. Whenever I have a new card coming, I try to monitor the mail very closely but sometimes that isn't possible. This issue really opens the door to problems and fraud, I understand.

I would also suggest making the credit limits on your card smaller.
Continental
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Point is, if a thief is anything but a total idiot, he'll have already either gotten a fake ID before he goes to use the cards he stole, or he'll have cloned the info off the mag stripe on the card he stole to a new card, WELL BEFORE you ever get to see his smiling face. For a real CC fraudster, checking his ID isn't gonna do squat.

So, the net result of your insistence on IDs is probably very unlikely to stop an actual CC thief and a lot more likely to inconvenience and P.O. your true customers. Plus, as stated here, it is definitely against the issuer's policies, and someone will eventually report you.

athensgaguy
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 14 2009, 04:13 PM) *
QUOTE (Anubis @ Mar 14 2009, 12:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Baggy @ Mar 14 2009, 11:49 AM) *
I really don't mind them asking - having been a victim of identity theft, I really feel more comfortable that they DO ask. Believe me, the small inconvenience to you is nothing compared to the damage it can do to your life when someone takes your identity.

QUOTE (gallagheria @ Mar 14 2009, 12:29 PM) *
I think more states should allow ID's to be checked, just like Washington. Or, as a compromise, PIN numbers should be required with all transactions, just like with classic check and ATM cards.

Yes, it makes much more sense to give a potentially crooked cashier your ID so they can now have your address and date of birth to assist them in stealing not just your credit card number but now your entire identity. rolleyes.gif

I can't believe that people are so naive to think that requiring additional ID protects them, when it does exactly the opposite. The theft of one single credit card number is a hell of a lot easier to deal with than the theft of one's identity.


I find that remark somewhat insulting - I had a thief rack up over $20,000 on my credit cards - the cards themselves were stolen. Had someone asked for the DL of the person presenting the card they wouldn't have been able to - because the DL was with me, over 4000 miles away in the deserts of the middle east.

..and don't say, 'well the credit card company will not hold you liable' - Providian did hold me liable and refused to even acknowledge another person made the transactions, even with proof I was on the other side of the earth. I spend 2 months arguing, being bounced from person to person filing the same claim multiple times. I got aggressive letters in the mail asking me to pay for a debt I didn't make....ruining my credit history and destroying my personal life at the same time I was trying to fix all the other debts with other companies that had been created in my name.

So don't call me naive, or even claim that what I went through was easier to clean up than if the cashiers had asked for a DL. Because clearly the reverse would have been true.

Besides, when you hand over your DL, are you 'naive' enough to let them walk off with it to copy it, or write down information from it in front of you ?? I didn't think so.

Insulted


I'm not a pro, but if I can make a credit card that passes muster, you can bet I can make an ID that does it, too.

With the equipment I have access to, I can't make a CC, but reasonable looking ID is a snap.
athensgaguy
QUOTE (gallagheria @ Mar 15 2009, 02:40 PM) *
QUOTE (Uncle Leo @ Mar 15 2009, 12:21 PM) *
QUOTE (gallagheria @ Mar 14 2009, 12:16 PM) *
Washington has rendered all contract clauses prohibiting ID checking VOID.
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RCW 19.192.020
Verification of identity by merchant/retailer �€” Prohibition on verification void.

(1) Any provision of a contract between a merchant or retailer and a credit or debit card issuer, financial institution, or other person that prohibits the merchant or retailer from verifying the identity of a customer who offers to pay for goods or services with a credit or debit card by requiring or requesting that the customer present additional identification is void for violation of public policy.

. . .

Notes:
Findings -- 2003 c 89: "The legislature finds that financial fraud is too common, and that it threatens the safety and well-being of the public by driving up the costs of goods and services and unduly burdening the law enforcement community. Further, the legislature finds that financial fraud can be deterred by allowing retailers to verify the identity of persons who seek to pay for goods or services with a credit or debit card. Finally, the legislature finds that some retailers are deterred from verifying their customers' identity by contractual arrangements with credit card issuers. The legislature declares that such contracts violate the public policy that all citizens should be able to take reasonable steps to prevent themselves and their communities from falling victim to crime." [2003 c 89 § 1.]


Can you provide a link for this?

Revised Code of Washington:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=19.192.020

Once again, no contract is enforceable when voided by law. Washington has voided the no ID clause. I would like to see what these people do on military installations as well when they are required to show their ID at checkout too (this includes your drivers license if you are a nonmilitary guest).


That doesn't say I have to show a driver's license. It says verify identity, which is going to have to involve fingerprints in combination with some additional bio-information. I can make a fake ID in 10 minutes.

Let's say it a different way.

If you lose your card and it's used, they probably have the ID that was in your wallet.

If they stole the number and made a card, they can make an ID, too.

If it's your card, showing your ID will never help you, so the law is a non-issue. See the bolded portion. Showing my driver's license to a stranger increases my risk and doesn't verify my ID.
athensgaguy
QUOTE (Uncle Leo @ Mar 16 2009, 04:20 PM) *
QUOTE (Continental @ Mar 16 2009, 03:13 PM) *
WRONG. None of them have such a policy at corporate level. What are the addresses of these violating franchises?


While you're waiting... you could answer Baggy specific question regarding how/why he was stuck with the bill in the face of "zero liability". wink.gif





Didn't dispute correctly. Just like being mistaken about protection provided by ID checks.
GEORGE
I protect myself by keeping my DRIVER'S LICENSE in my wallet that is in my pocket

THE ID IS ON THE BACK OF THE CREDIT CARD

(and my name is not CID)
Continental
QUOTE (thelowpriceleader @ Mar 21 2009, 04:03 PM) *
The point Baggy is that if you think a cashier IDing whoever took your card would have prevented you from all of these problems, you are simply wrong. As you said, you were out of the country and someone got your new card in the mail. They had ample time to obtain a fake ID (and I can guarantee you they did).

Any serious in-store crook will have fake ID.


centex
QUOTE (athensgaguy @ Mar 22 2009, 10:10 PM) *
QUOTE (Uncle Leo @ Mar 16 2009, 04:20 PM) *
QUOTE (Continental @ Mar 16 2009, 03:13 PM) *
WRONG. None of them have such a policy at corporate level. What are the addresses of these violating franchises?


While you're waiting... you could answer Baggy specific question regarding how/why he was stuck with the bill in the face of "zero liability". wink.gif





Didn't dispute correctly. Just like being mistaken about protection provided by ID checks.


I cannot wait to hear the response about why a police report and disputing in accordance with THE LAW still resulted in my twisting in the wind with original creditors...

ZERO LIABILITY IS A CROCK!!!
hlburi
QUOTE (ProfessorMom @ Mar 14 2009, 11:14 AM) *
QUOTE (dapo @ Mar 14 2009, 12:08 PM) *
I will show my ID if they ask. They are just doing their job. Imagine given a cashier women a hard time that has to support her three kids and disable husband making $6 an hour just because she was doing what her boss asked her to do. Grow up people just show your id and go home


I totally and completely disagree on the principal of it. I'm a mother of four trying to take care of my family. What makes anyone so special that they can blatantly violate policy?!?!? It's people who don't care who let this become more and more of a problem. I understand about not ripping into the cashier (as I stated above) but I have no problem at all going to management about it. I DO NOT think it's ok to let someone violate policy. It has nothing to do with growing up. I teach my children that if something is not right, you SHOULD question it. If everyone just went along with what someone else told them or did, this would be a pretty crazy place to live. You should stand up for your rights.



I have better things to do with my time than argue with a cashier or management over an ID policy. rolleyes.gif
hlburi
QUOTE (toopooor @ Mar 14 2009, 12:08 PM) *
QUOTE (Anubis @ Mar 14 2009, 11:45 AM) *
I can't believe that people are so naive to think that requiring additional ID protects them, when it does exactly the opposite. The theft of one single credit card number is a hell of a lot easier to deal with than the theft of one's identity.


While the id adds no protection, it also does not increase your chances of id theft appreciably unless they write the info down. A busy cashier would need a photographic memory to remember the details of a DL in the 3 secs (or less) they view the DL and if the cashier had a photographic memory, they probably would not be working as a cashier.

My time is valuable and i'm not going to waste it complaining to merchants over minor things.



+1,000,000
GEORGE
QUOTE (toopooor @ Mar 14 2009, 11:08 AM) *
QUOTE (Anubis @ Mar 14 2009, 11:45 AM) *
I can't believe that people are so naive to think that requiring additional ID protects them, when it does exactly the opposite. The theft of one single credit card number is a hell of a lot easier to deal with than the theft of one's identity.


While the id adds no protection, it also does not increase your chances of id theft appreciably unless they write the info down. A busy cashier would need a photographic memory to remember the details of a DL in the 3 secs (or less) they view the DL and if the cashier had a photographic memory, they probably would not be working as a cashier.

My time is valuable and i'm not going to waste it complaining to merchants over minor things.

So you are losing how much???

You would be complaining instead of working???

You work 24/7

SLEEPING WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME TOO
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