ArnoldPalmer22
Mar 5 2008, 05:01 PM
I have a friend who just received a ~$55k year end bonus. He will receive ~$30k net of taxes and his 401(k) contribution. He currently has no debt or mortgage (he is still a renter and will probably be in the market for a house in late '09 or early '10).
He typically put bonuses into index funds in the past, but the volatility of the market is a little scary right now, and he doesn't want his bonus killed by the market in the short term, especially since it will likely be used for a down payment on a house in a couple of years.
What's the best short- term play? What do the money management wizards of this board think? Any CDs yielding decent rates right now? Any other good, safe short-term strategies to hedge against inflation?
P.S. He currently has about $22k in index funds and another $15K in cash in ING Direct (6 mo. emergency fund). His 401(K) is well funded.
chemmastr
Mar 5 2008, 05:30 PM
On the CD note; I know country wide has 4.1% CD with a 10K balance. other banks offer up to 5% with 50K balance.
EDIT: FNBO offers high rate CDs for high balances such as 50k but I don't have the actual rate info. Someone must have around here
Kevin20
Mar 5 2008, 06:30 PM
Wow I hate the idea of wasting that kind of money in a savings account where he'll just tread water vis-a-vis inflation, when right now, just when everyone is despairing, will very likely prove to have been an incredibly good time to invest in the market.
But if your friend's a coward what can you do.
chemmastr
Mar 5 2008, 07:15 PM
QUOTE(Kevin20 @ Mar 5 2008, 03:30 PM)

Wow I hate the idea of wasting that kind of money in a savings account where he'll just tread water vis-a-vis inflation, when right now, just when everyone is despairing, will very likely prove to have been an incredibly good time to invest in the market.
But if your friend's a coward what can you do.
seems like his friend is really concerned about the loss of his money since he wants to use it for a future down payment. I personally am working out Zecco so I can invest in the market!
tman
Mar 5 2008, 08:02 PM
QUOTE(ArnoldPalmer22 @ Mar 5 2008, 05:01 PM)

I have a friend who just received a ~$55k year end bonus. He will receive ~$30k net of taxes and his 401(k) contribution. He currently has no debt or mortgage (he is still a renter and will probably be in the market for a house in late '09 or early '10).
He typically put bonuses into index funds in the past, but the volatility of the market is a little scary right now, and he doesn't want his bonus killed by the market in the short term, especially since it will likely be used for a down payment on a house in a couple of years.
What's the best short- term play? What do the money management wizards of this board think? Any CDs yielding decent rates right now? Any other good, safe short-term strategies to hedge against inflation?
P.S. He currently has about $22k in index funds and another $15K in cash in ING Direct (6 mo. emergency fund). His 401(K) is well funded.
What are your friends long term goals? Short term - I would look at bonds and long term look at a good no-load stock mutual fund if your friend is willing to take risk, but there are rewards when you take risk.
ArnoldPalmer22
Mar 5 2008, 09:24 PM
Thanks to all for the helpful feedback. My friend isn't exactly a coward- he has his 410(k) and 15k invested in equities (as mentioned in the post) but just wants a very "safe" pool of short term money for the house down payment (not willing to stomach wild swings in equities given the short term investment horizon). I do agree that stocks are the best long-term play, but in the short run...well, I just have a feeling that the markets will be very choppy in the coming 2-3 years.
Thanks for the referral to the 5% Countrywide CD- we'll definitely check that out. I knew there would be some good suggestions on this site.
54regcab
Mar 5 2008, 09:29 PM
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. He can put some in CD's and some in equities.
ArnoldPalmer22
Mar 5 2008, 10:24 PM
If your investment I.Q. is anywhere near as high as your credit scores, I will be certain to recommend your advice!!!
That, and I'll hope he gets a bigger bonus next year so he has a little more money to spread around in index funds...although the way the markets are shaping up this year, bonuses might be a bit smaller for many of us in 2009.
df21084
Mar 5 2008, 11:11 PM
QUOTE(Kevin20 @ Mar 5 2008, 06:30 PM)

Wow I hate the idea of wasting that kind of money in a savings account where he'll just tread water vis-a-vis inflation, when right now, just when everyone is despairing, will very likely prove to have been an incredibly good time to invest in the market.
I completely agree. Mr. Market is having a sale right now, and this is a perfect opportunity to be shopping.
I'd have him look at ETFs, where ongoing expenses are cheap and he doesn't have any capital gain issues until he sells.
ArnoldPalmer22
Mar 7 2008, 09:21 PM
Thanks. Hopefully (for my sake too) the rumors about the Democratic candidates (especially Obama) looking for an increase in the cap gains tax in the coming years proves unfounded. I would imagine any hike at all in the cap gains tax would cause some serious stress in the markets...
Tree
Mar 8 2008, 06:47 AM
That is a pretty nice bonus!! Is he eligible for a Roth? I would make the 2008 contribution on it if he can do that.
Since he plans on using this money in 2 years, he should try to find the high money market account playing right now or even CD to put it in.
marinaap
Mar 16 2008, 01:51 AM
Park in a bank of a country where currency appreciates against $. There are so many countries now!
You can get 8-9 % interest + currency appreciation.
Kevin20
Mar 16 2008, 07:55 PM
QUOTE(marinaap @ Mar 16 2008, 01:51 AM)

Park in a bank of a country where currency appreciates against $. There are so many countries now!
You can get 8-9 % interest + currency appreciation.
Well that's a nice trick, but since you alone among all humans can accurately predict the future, why not just buy a winning lottery ticket and be rich?
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