DH'S driver's license number!!!! DH does not frequent the boards, but he knows I spend some (ok, a lot) of time on here. He was asking me why a GAS STATION (and not a hole in the wall one either) would not only ask for ID, but WRITE down his driver's license number on their copy of the receipt! His receipt also had his full name, full CC #, and expiration date. *sigh*

REPORTED... (and for $6.68 worth of bad food at a gas station).

UGH.

I don't know why they would need to do that, but what can they really do with that information? (assuming his DL number is not his SSN)

Are you serious?!

You can post your DL on here if you'd like, I'm sure no one here could do anything with your information either.

I had someone open up a checking account, credit card accounts, and wrote several bad checks from my license alone (and the SS Number is not the ID number in Michigan). In 1997 someone stole my license out of the mail (back when ID theft was not commonplace) and it's been hell since things since pop up from time to time. Back then they had no law or regulations in place and the detective that got a hold of this tip (the person was in Florida, I lived in DC and never have been to florida longer than a week in my life) and was handling my case really didn't know what to do or say since he didn't have the person in custody. Oh, and when I went to First Union (now Wachovia) to find out when the person opened the account, etc, they wrote down a fake social security number!! They stated that they put in whatever SS# the person puts down and there is no name on the report, just the report itself. So I am very careful with ALL INFORMATION because it doesn't matter if they don't have your social security number.

Relax, I am just asking the question.... Besides making a fake license with the number on it, what else is a DL number good for?

also, those guys at the store sounded pretty stupid. What would they need your DL number for? I don't get it.

Actually sometimes it is needed to open bank accounts or pay via eCheck.

As for writing it down that is a violation (asking for his ID was the actual violation)... and it may be illegal to write down the info.

The gas station is stupid because if he did a chargeback and they tried to prove that he was there via the DL#, then they'd end up fined for violation.

ANOTHER CREDIT CARD VIOLATION

ASKING FOR THE ID IS ONE VIOLATION

RECORDING IT ON THE RECEIPT IS A SECOND VIOLATION

They've been reported. Citi/MC has asked that we go back to the store in 30 days to see if this practice is still in effect.

Not sure if that means they have been fined or not.

Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

Sounds more like a LETTER OF REPRIMAND

(along with a copy of the rules)

Right, but even if it is needed, you cannot obtain credit or anything by ONLY having the DL number. It is one small piece of information (assuming the clerk was a thief) needed


Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want my DL number written down, that is why the ID never leaves my hand.

I hope they get a letter of reprimand AND a fine.

If it was just ID checking, a warning would be fine. But since they are recording the data, they should be fined.




What happens if they ask you to hand over the ID?

When I worked retail if we had an unsigned card [or someone paying by check] we were supposed to check the driver's license to make sure it was not a counterfiet/fake (basically you hold it and move it at an angle to check if a couple security features are there). Of course, on a signed card, we were explicity told to NOT ask for ID (as the company didn't want to get itself fined.)

Most likely lots of stores don't care and will just look at the ID if you are holding it... and that is why Visa policy prohibits ID checking on signed cards... the thieves have access to counterfeit IDs.

So, a thief is going to run out and get a new and different fake ID for each and every credit card they steal?

A fake ID can be made in a matter of minutes. In fact you could fit the equipment to do this in a car (though a van is better). Printer, laptop, some blank stock...

A passable fake ID? Ok, maybe for the big-time career criminal, but then if they're that sophisticated they're probably not doing purse-snatching and pick-pocketing, they're into more full-blown ID theft, etc. The average thief will not have the equipment and stock necessary.

This reminds me about a conversation I had with someone about "the Club" once. (It's an anti-theft device that goes on your steering wheel when parked) They said "all you need is some liquid nitrogen and a hammer" as if it was so easy as to render the club ineffectual. Let's get real. How many people carry liquid nitrogen around in their pockets? Same here. Let's get real... how many people do you think carry around all the stuff necessary to make fake IDs on the spot?

You gotta come up with something better than that.

OK, pick a college campus. Any college. Grim would bet 70% of the time you could find someone on campus who had the knowhow and supplies to make fake ID's.

That's great... but totally irrelevant and doesn't address at all BBQ's implication that it's common for people to have this equipment in their own possession.

I saw something in the news one time about a group of people who got busted with personal info for a lot of people. This group consisted of wait staff, cashiers and people in similar jobs that would have them handling Cc and/or IDs. This group was not making fake IDs, they were selling the info to people who made fake ID for illegals. One of the people got a reduced sentence in exchange for testifying and setting up the actual counterfeiters.

THE BOOZE JOINTS CAN GET SOME DRIVERS LICENSE AUTHENTICATOR FOR THE ENTRANCE DOOR

(must not be real hard to get a FAKE LICENSE)

They told about it in the newspaper

Here's a good one - I have right now in my pocket - I use a money clip/ CC holder and it has a window on the front for ID. I took my DL and copied it on my color scanner - then I whited out all the info except name, signature, Sex, Ht, Eyes

no DL #, address, or DOB on it.

then I copied it again. Cut out and placed into window if the money clip.

I've showed it every time I've been asked for ID when using a credit card for the last 2 months. NOT ONE CLERK HAS NOTICED IT'S INCOMPLETE!

I could have printed it on the stock as our DL's are here - but it's just on copy paper!

Anyone could take their DL - white out all the info - and put in any info they want, take a CC in the same name they put on the DL they doctor up, and I'll bet 99.9% of the time clerks wouldn't question it.

Next time I do my id I'm gonna change the printed name (leave my signature) to
Art U. Readingthis and see if they notice that!

I'll bet it passes 9 out of 10 times. (I also have my real DL inside one of the CC slots) and before someone says it's illegal - no it's not, I'm not trying to use the copy as legal ID or to hide my idenity.

I had seen all the post here on showing / not showing ID and I just decided to run my own little test.

passed at the following stores:
Kroger
Sears
Wal-mart
Home Depot
Lowes
Radio Shack
JC Penny
Macy's
USPS
Best Buy
Comp USA
Office Depot
Office Max
All local conv. stores
and some others that I can't remember right now.

A LOT OF WORK FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW IN THE FIRST PLACE

well actually it took less than 5 min to make. took me longer to type the post. I have an Epson AIO unit - one touch copy - used white out - one touch copy - cut out.

Like I said it was a test, I was really wondering if clerks really looked.

So for all the folks that think showing ID makes them safer - No it doesn't.

And George - I agree that we shouldn't show ID - and I have walked more than once when a merchant said they "Had to have ID" - If there's no line behind me I might would argue my point, but otherwise I tell them "NO" and leave the stuff sitting there. Like I said this was just a test - I was really wondering what would happen. I also a lot of time cover the picture with my finger - I only had one ask me to move my finger so they could see the picture - Kinda strange they didn't notice the big blank spot for the DL # and other missing info.

So looks like the fake ID worked. and to top it off if he was a thief he could just tell the clerk they are required to take the card without ID and they store would have to take it because their merchant agreement requires them to.

would have taken less time than that to forge a signature that they never look at.

See the zug.com prank again.

LETS NOT...AND SAY WE DID

I was just about to post a thread on this same topic.

Went to the local BMW parts counter two days ago. The jerks have the nerve to POST A SIGN that says "FOR YOUR PROTECTION, ID WILL BE REQUIRED AND RECORDED FOR ALL CREDIT CARDS AND CHECKS."

THEN the same jerks WRITE the info on the CC receipt!!! I complained about it to the cashier who said, it's for your protection. I explained how it's not, but didn't want to get TOO heated cause they have the best prices in a LARGE radius and I already had my sunroof ripped off, lol.

I'll call VISA first since it was on my BofA, then make some courtesy calls to my other CC issuers about the nice little sign

Depending on what state you live in, also call the state Attorney General's office. It may be against the law to record the information.

I would love to hear their rationalization about how recording the information "protects" the cunsumer.

ETA: My personal policy now is that when asked for ID, it depends on my mood at the moment. I might refuse, or I might show it then report them when I get home. If anyplace ever wants to record my personal information? I'd willingly pay a higher price somewhere else. That a whole different level.

lol... writing down your ID# doesn't help stop a chargeback. If the signatures don't match but they have the ID # they lose the chargeback.

Visa doesn't care about ID info. They care about signature.

Didn't you even read the thread? I think is the one situation we actually agree on. They shouldn't write down your information

Never show ID for signed credit card purchases.

No ID required for signed credit card purchases. Merchants cannot require ID.

If a merchant tries to require ID, immediately call 1-800-VISA-911 to ensure they never do again.

VISA: 1-800-VISA-911
MasterCard: 1-800-300-3069


Also easily report merchant violations online at:

http://www.mastercard.com/us/personal/en/c...violations.html

Check the box that says "Merchant required ID"



Never show ID for signed credit card purchases.

No ID required for signed credit card purchases.

Make sure your community is 100% violation-free.

What in this thread led anyone to believe that the OP was still anxiously waiting for an answer... two years later?

I still think Continental is a bot. It responds to key phrases or words. The bot owner will occasionally change the words or add his/her responses through the bot.

I have never seen anyone actually carry on a true conversation with Continental. I never see him/her in other parts of Credit Boards.

Not to hijack, but I got carded at Walgreen's the other day. For some reason, I ran the card through the swipe thing 3 or 4 times but it kept not working. Then it locked up or something, and the cashier had to unlock it. She then asked me to see ID before she ran it through on her end. Weird.

Completely illegal and outrageous! In addition to the Visa/MC rules, state laws prohibit merchants from requiring additional information when accepting credit cards. Merchants cannot make note of your phone number, address, driver's license or other personal information. They can't even hint to consumers that such information is required. Consumers can sue merchants that require additional information with credit card transactions and win big money. Civil penalties of $250 for the first violation and $1,000 for subsequent violations are awarded to consumers when merchants break this law.

CREDIT CARD SIGNATURE IS ALL THE ID NEEDED

When you pay for merchandise with a Visa card, MasterCard, or American Express any store that accepts these cards should accept yours too, no questions asked. It's part of the deal that merchants agree to when they become participating members.

They must check your signature and the card - electronically or by telephone - to be sure it's valid. Once the answer comes up yes, they can go ahead and charge. They can't ask you for any further identification - not a license plate number, Social Security number, proof of address, phone number or photo ID.

Your personal ID isn't needed because Visa, MasterCard, and American Express all guarantee payment on cards that have been properly checked. If the issuer mistakenly authorizes a sale on a bad card, it should make good. MasterCard says that merchants receive instant settlement. The contract MasterCard merchants sign specifically prevents them from asking for personal ID.

Unfortunately, not all merchants play by the rules. Some, apparently, haven't read them.

WHAT YOU CAN DO

MasterCard wants to hear about merchants who break their rules. Send the name and address and an account of what happened to MasterCard WorldWide 2000 Purchase St. Purchase, NY 10577 or call 1-800-300-3069. The merchant's bank will get a stiff letter, ordering it to investigate and bring the offending store into line - or pay a $2,000 fine. You may also report violations online:

http://www.mastercard.com/us/personal/en/c...violations.html

Visa enforces the same rules as MasterCard. "When we hear about a violation, we ask the bank that signed the merchant to get together with the merchant and see that the practice is stopped," Visa representative states. To report a merchant, send a letter to the bank that that issued your Visa card or call 1-800-VISA-911.

American Express also prohibits merchants from asking for IDs. "All a merchant is supposed to do is take an imprint, make sure the signature matches and swipe the card through the terminal, to get authorization."

FOR MY PROTECTION...my license stays in my wallet

/hijack

MI driver license numbers are derived from full name and birth month and day; my dad can figure out anyone's number if he has that info.

I used to know how it works, but I only remember the birthday part now.

Took me about 15 seconds to find software to do that. I removed the name of the program because I don't care to give scammer enablers free advertising.

You know this just plays into conspiracy theories... the ones about what is on the magnetic strip on the back of a DL, etc.