How many retailers actually ask for ID?

[shadow2k]

But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some.

enjoyment? nope. if the merchant thinks I am a thief they should call the police. accusing me of using someone's credit card is not tolerated.

 

Do you hide from the security cameras, refusing to be filmed as well? Refuse to walk through the alarm system at the exit because it offends your honor? Almost every merchant assumes you're a thief the second you step through the door, until the second you leave.

 

Probably shouldn't shop online either, as they all store your IP address, which is your online ID. Probably should never sign your signature for anything either, as everyone should just assume you are who you say you are.

 

Maybe next time something happens to your web browser and you have to log in to credit boards, you can raise a stink because they asked you for your password.

 

typical response by those who defend merchants violating contracts. make it about the poster not the issue at hand.

 

Strawman arguments, great. No point in continuing this.

 

For what it is worth, I'm not a merchant. I argue the point because your stance makes no sense to me, and it is obvious you do not intend to try and make it any clearer.

 

Enjoy your weekend!

[hegemony]

But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some.

enjoyment? nope. if the merchant thinks I am a thief they should call the police. accusing me of using someone's credit card is not tolerated.

 

Do you hide from the security cameras, refusing to be filmed as well? Refuse to walk through the alarm system at the exit because it offends your honor? Almost every merchant assumes you're a thief the second you step through the door, until the second you leave.

 

Probably shouldn't shop online either, as they all store your IP address, which is your online ID. Probably should never sign your signature for anything either, as everyone should just assume you are who you say you are.

 

Maybe next time something happens to your web browser and you have to log in to credit boards, you can raise a stink because they asked you for your password.

 

:rofl:

typical response by those who defend merchants violating contracts. make it about the poster not the issue at hand.

 

Strawman arguments, great. No point in continuing this.

 

For what it is worth, I'm not a merchant. I argue the point because your stance makes no sense to me, and it is obvious you do not intend to try and make it any clearer.

 

Enjoy your weekend!

 

I explained the two reasons I have my view. instead of taking it at face value you digressed into unrelated issues and refused to recognized this. you then made some rather suggestive remarks about my behavior even though you have no clue about how I behave shopping online, logging into CB, traveling, etc. everyone gets screened by the TSA. merchants don't check everyone making a purchase. that you cannot understand this difference is your issue. in short, rather than engage me on why I have my opinion based on two ideas you turned this thread into your own inane conjecture about my possible behavior in unrelated circumstances.

[BBQ123]

It is a violation of the merchant agreement for a business to refuse a sale due to the customer not showing ID.

 

Simply put, no customer has to show ID for their signed credit card.

 

We understand that. But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some. I refuse to encourage that ridiculous behavior towards other people who are trying to help you, just because you can.

 

What is the point of refusing to show ID beyond, "it violates the merchant agreement"? I understand that it violates it, but...who cares? The battles you choose to fight should actually have some value in the end, and I see none here.

 

1] Transactions are slowed

2] You might not have ID

3] If you show ID, you risk personal information

[Grizzly Bear]

But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some.

enjoyment? nope. if the merchant thinks I am a thief they should call the police. accusing me of using someone's credit card is not tolerated.

 

Do you hide from the security cameras, refusing to be filmed as well? Refuse to walk through the alarm system at the exit because it offends your honor? Almost every merchant assumes you're a thief the second you step through the door, until the second you leave.

 

Probably shouldn't shop online either, as they all store your IP address, which is your online ID. Probably should never sign your signature for anything either, as everyone should just assume you are who you say you are.

 

Maybe next time something happens to your web browser and you have to log in to credit boards, you can raise a stink because they asked you for your password.

 

 

While some of the things you mentioned are things I could care less about, ID with a credit card is particularly disrespectful. When a customer walks into a store to give them business and spend one's hard earned money, the last thing a customer deserves is the presumption of being a criminal. Past generations have understood this, but with younger generations it seems courtesy and respect are not high on the list of priorities.

 

Also, requests for ID are just the latest in the increasing list of ways in which every aspect of our lives our being policed. Whether it's new laws to govern every little aspect of our life, hassles, hoops to jump through for everything, etc, some of us are are sick of it. ID is just another in a long list of recent annoyances.

[gabbyraja]

Anyone have in-depth documentation on how a charge back works on the retailer end?

 

Yep. You are informed that a chargeback has been entered against you. You have a choice of about 3 things to prove that the person who owns the card is the person who actually made the purchase, and 10 days to provide it. In an online transaction you have to prove that the package was delivered (signed for by the person placing the order is the only sure-fire proof, however). In a b&m about the only thing you can do is submit the signature and cross your fingers that they match. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE VERIFIED ID YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE C'dYA.

 

This information is submitted to the card-holder's cc company and THEY make the decision on whether or not the person pays for the transaction. It is in their best interest to keep their cc customer happy, so there is a heavy burden of proof on the merchant, and in most cases the merchant loses. The merchant is over a barrel, because just TRY to not accept ccs in your business today. You would quickly be out of business. No choice, so you take the hit, over and over and over. Not just refunding the customer, but also the $20-40 chargeback fee. It's friggin' LOVELY!

 

The whole ID thing is really just a CYA thing. Really. It sucks HARD to be out that money, particularly as a small business. The ones that burn you up the most are those that just change their minds, or decide to cause you trouble without even attempting a call or email first. It's "easier" to just call their cc company and say they didn't make the charge or some other bogus claim. People need to understand what it's like on the other end of the merchant agreement. I never bat an eye at being asked for my ID.

Edited September 11, 2010 by gabbyraja

[hegemony]

Anyone have in-depth documentation on how a charge back works on the retailer end?

 

Yep. You are informed that a chargeback has been entered against you. You have a choice of about 3 things to prove that the person who owns the card is the person who actually made the purchase, and 10 days to provide it. In an online transaction you have to prove that the package was delivered (signed for by the person placing the order is the only sure-fire proof, however). In a b&m about the only thing you can do is submit the signature and cross your fingers that they match. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE VERIFIED ID YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE C'dYA.

 

This information is submitted to the card-holder's cc company and THEY make the decision on whether or not the person pays for the transaction. It is in their best interest to keep their cc customer happy, so there is a heavy burden of proof on the merchant, and in most cases the merchant loses. The merchant is over a barrel, because just TRY to not accept ccs in your business today. You would quickly be out of business. No choice, so you take the hit, over and over and over. Not just refunding the customer, but also the $20-40 chargeback fee. It's friggin' LOVELY!

 

charge backs are mainly useful for the consumer when a retailer or service has not lived up to the expectations of the transaction. if a retailer has a lot of charge backs it might need to rethink how it treats consumers.

 

if verifying a consumer's ID helps the merchant regarding charge backs that might suggest merchants that check for this reason expects the consumer to be dissatisfied.

[BBQ123]

Anyone have in-depth documentation on how a charge back works on the retailer end?

 

Yep. You are informed that a chargeback has been entered against you. You have a choice of about 3 things to prove that the person who owns the card is the person who actually made the purchase, and 10 days to provide it. In an online transaction you have to prove that the package was delivered (signed for by the person placing the order is the only sure-fire proof, however). In a b&m about the only thing you can do is submit the signature and cross your fingers that they match. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE VERIFIED ID YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE C'dYA.

 

This information is submitted to the card-holder's cc company and THEY make the decision on whether or not the person pays for the transaction. It is in their best interest to keep their cc customer happy, so there is a heavy burden of proof on the merchant, and in most cases the merchant loses. The merchant is over a barrel, because just TRY to not accept ccs in your business today. You would quickly be out of business. No choice, so you take the hit, over and over and over. Not just refunding the customer, but also the $20-40 chargeback fee. It's friggin' LOVELY!

 

The whole ID thing is really just a CYA thing. Really. It sucks HARD to be out that money, particularly as a small business. The ones that burn you up the most are those that just change their minds, or decide to cause you trouble without even attempting a call or email first. It's "easier" to just call their cc company and say they didn't make the charge or some other bogus claim. People need to understand what it's like on the other end of the merchant agreement. I never bat an eye at being asked for my ID.

 

 

When a merchant says they checked ID with a chargeback, it doesn't help. If anything, it means they'll lose for failing to follow the rules.

[radi8]

charge backs are mainly useful for the consumer when a retailer or service has not lived up to the expectations of the transaction. if a retailer has a lot of charge backs it might need to rethink how it treats consumers.

 

I'd like to think that's the case, but the truth of the matter is there's a lot of lazy scum out there that'll try to get something for nothing every chance they get.

[radi8]

When a merchant says they checked ID with a chargeback, it doesn't help. If anything, it means they'll lose for failing to follow the rules.

 

Have actual proof of that happening, or are you making an assumption?

[BBQ123]

When a merchant says they checked ID with a chargeback, it doesn't help. If anything, it means they'll lose for failing to follow the rules.

 

Have actual proof of that happening, or are you making an assumption?

 

One of the reasons a merchant can lose a chargeback is for failure to follow the rules set forth by the card issuers.

 

I won a chargeback before due to the merchant not following the rules.

[xelda]

charge backs are mainly useful for the consumer when a retailer or service has not lived up to the expectations of the transaction. if a retailer has a lot of charge backs it might need to rethink how it treats consumers.

 

I'd like to think that's the case, but the truth of the matter is there's a lot of lazy scum out there that'll try to get something for nothing every chance they get.

I agree. You're relying on your customer's memory. If they can't remember buying from you or they don't recognize your business name when it shows on their statement, you're screwed.

[thelowpriceleader]

The merchant signs an agreement to honor cards without ID as long as they are signed and not discriminate against the customer using a credit card.

 

I consider it unethical for a business to require ID. It is a breach of their contract to accept cards. What other contracts do they breach? If they are a restaurant, do they not care about temperatures of food? If they are a jeweler, do they not care if the product is sold as advertised? The list goes on and one. Merchants that WILLFULLY break one contract have rationalized doing so and the rationalizing may not stop at requiring ID for credit cards.

 

As far as merchants or employees who simply don't know better, that is another story, and more an education issue than anything else.

[shadow2k]

It is a violation of the merchant agreement for a business to refuse a sale due to the customer not showing ID.

 

Simply put, no customer has to show ID for their signed credit card.

 

We understand that. But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some. I refuse to encourage that ridiculous behavior towards other people who are trying to help you, just because you can.

 

What is the point of refusing to show ID beyond, "it violates the merchant agreement"? I understand that it violates it, but...who cares? The battles you choose to fight should actually have some value in the end, and I see none here.

 

1] Transactions are slowed

2] You might not have ID

3] If you show ID, you risk personal information

 

1. Asking for the supervisor speeds it up somehow? It takes 10 seconds tops to whip out the ID, and if this were truly the concern, you could simply file a complaint with Visa/MC about the merchant in question after the fact. Without holding up everyone behind you.

 

2. How often do people carry a credit card but not ID? I can only guess, but I'd say this is probably rare to have one but not the other.

 

3. Again, the only personal info on your ID is name, address, and ID #. This is information that anyone can get quite easily with access only to your name, which is on your card to begin with. Your credit card is the one in need of protection (which is why they ask for the ID to begin with).

[shadow2k]

But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some.

enjoyment? nope. if the merchant thinks I am a thief they should call the police. accusing me of using someone's credit card is not tolerated.

 

Do you hide from the security cameras, refusing to be filmed as well? Refuse to walk through the alarm system at the exit because it offends your honor? Almost every merchant assumes you're a thief the second you step through the door, until the second you leave.

 

Probably shouldn't shop online either, as they all store your IP address, which is your online ID. Probably should never sign your signature for anything either, as everyone should just assume you are who you say you are.

 

Maybe next time something happens to your web browser and you have to log in to credit boards, you can raise a stink because they asked you for your password.

 

 

While some of the things you mentioned are things I could care less about, ID with a credit card is particularly disrespectful. When a customer walks into a store to give them business and spend one's hard earned money, the last thing a customer deserves is the presumption of being a criminal. Past generations have understood this, but with younger generations it seems courtesy and respect are not high on the list of priorities.

 

Also, requests for ID are just the latest in the increasing list of ways in which every aspect of our lives our being policed. Whether it's new laws to govern every little aspect of our life, hassles, hoops to jump through for everything, etc, some of us are are sick of it. ID is just another in a long list of recent annoyances.

 

I guess you're assuming I'm young. I'm 33 for what it's worth. No idea where you're drawing the line on the whole disrespect thing. The merchant places cameras and alarms because they assume criminals are trying to steal from them. That's the society we live in. Don't blame the merchants, blame the thieves. Most people are not thieves, sure...but the merchant has no way of knowing. I simply don't take it personal, it isn't. The store is there to make money, and in order to do that, they must protect their assets.

 

If you were paying cash, or bartering goods like the old days, sure...no need for ID. But you're handing the merchant what basically equates to a note from your parents saying they'll get paid, not to worry. I assume you wrote checks from the generational comment. Was it disrepectful for these same merchants to ask for ID's when you wrote checks? I simply equate the two as being equal. Neither seems disrespectful to me. I expect please and thank you's, and common courtesy. I don't expect strangers to know who I am.

[Grizzly Bear]

But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some.

enjoyment? nope. if the merchant thinks I am a thief they should call the police. accusing me of using someone's credit card is not tolerated.

 

Do you hide from the security cameras, refusing to be filmed as well? Refuse to walk through the alarm system at the exit because it offends your honor? Almost every merchant assumes you're a thief the second you step through the door, until the second you leave.

 

Probably shouldn't shop online either, as they all store your IP address, which is your online ID. Probably should never sign your signature for anything either, as everyone should just assume you are who you say you are.

 

Maybe next time something happens to your web browser and you have to log in to credit boards, you can raise a stink because they asked you for your password.

 

 

While some of the things you mentioned are things I could care less about, ID with a credit card is particularly disrespectful. When a customer walks into a store to give them business and spend one's hard earned money, the last thing a customer deserves is the presumption of being a criminal. Past generations have understood this, but with younger generations it seems courtesy and respect are not high on the list of priorities.

 

Also, requests for ID are just the latest in the increasing list of ways in which every aspect of our lives our being policed. Whether it's new laws to govern every little aspect of our life, hassles, hoops to jump through for everything, etc, some of us are are sick of it. ID is just another in a long list of recent annoyances.

 

I guess you're assuming I'm young. I'm 33 for what it's worth. No idea where you're drawing the line on the whole disrespect thing. The merchant places cameras and alarms because they assume criminals are trying to steal from them. That's the society we live in. Don't blame the merchants, blame the thieves. Most people are not thieves, sure...but the merchant has no way of knowing. I simply don't take it personal, it isn't. The store is there to make money, and in order to do that, they must protect their assets.

 

If you were paying cash, or bartering goods like the old days, sure...no need for ID. But you're handing the merchant what basically equates to a note from your parents saying they'll get paid, not to worry. I assume you wrote checks from the generational comment. Was it disrepectful for these same merchants to ask for ID's when you wrote checks? I simply equate the two as being equal. Neither seems disrespectful to me. I expect please and thank you's, and common courtesy. I don't expect strangers to know who I am.

 

Most stores do make money taking credit cards. And the combination of respecting the customer (as they have in the past and most still do) and honoring a contract which the merchant agreed to seems to be the obvious right thing to do.

Edited September 11, 2010 by Grizzly Bear

[hegemony]

charge backs are mainly useful for the consumer when a retailer or service has not lived up to the expectations of the transaction. if a retailer has a lot of charge backs it might need to rethink how it treats consumers.

 

I'd like to think that's the case, but the truth of the matter is there's a lot of lazy scum out there that'll try to get something for nothing every chance they get.

I agree. a lot of retailers are scummy and are only out to rip off the consumer.

[frank22]

But the only reason I see for refusing to do so is to get to argue with the clerk and supervisor, which seems to be a source of enjoyment for some.

enjoyment? nope. if the merchant thinks I am a thief they should call the police. accusing me of using someone's credit card is not tolerated.

 

Do you hide from the security cameras, refusing to be filmed as well? Refuse to walk through the alarm system at the exit because it offends your honor? Almost every merchant assumes you're a thief the second you step through the door, until the second you leave.

 

Probably shouldn't shop online either, as they all store your IP address, which is your online ID. Probably should never sign your signature for anything either, as everyone should just assume you are who you say you are.

 

Maybe next time something happens to your web browser and you have to log in to credit boards, you can raise a stink because they asked you for your password.

 

 

While some of the things you mentioned are things I could care less about, ID with a credit card is particularly disrespectful. When a customer walks into a store to give them business and spend one's hard earned money, the last thing a customer deserves is the presumption of being a criminal. Past generations have understood this, but with younger generations it seems courtesy and respect are not high on the list of priorities.

 

Also, requests for ID are just the latest in the increasing list of ways in which every aspect of our lives our being policed. Whether it's new laws to govern every little aspect of our life, hassles, hoops to jump through for everything, etc, some of us are are sick of it. ID is just another in a long list of recent annoyances.

 

I guess you're assuming I'm young. I'm 33 for what it's worth. No idea where you're drawing the line on the whole disrespect thing. The merchant places cameras and alarms because they assume criminals are trying to steal from them. That's the society we live in. Don't blame the merchants, blame the thieves. Most people are not thieves, sure...but the merchant has no way of knowing. I simply don't take it personal, it isn't. The store is there to make money, and in order to do that, they must protect their assets.

 

If you were paying cash, or bartering goods like the old days, sure...no need for ID. But you're handing the merchant what basically equates to a note from your parents saying they'll get paid, not to worry. I assume you wrote checks from the generational comment. Was it disrepectful for these same merchants to ask for ID's when you wrote checks? I simply equate the two as being equal. Neither seems disrespectful to me. I expect please and thank you's, and common courtesy. I don't expect strangers to know who I am.

 

Most stores do make money taking credit cards. And the combination of respecting the customer (as they have in the past and most still do) and honoring a contract which the merchant agreed to seems to be the obvious right thing to do.

 

Respecting the customer is great, and they should do it. But respect does not mean taking a loss. If someone orders pizza with extra cheese, they are charged for the cheese. This is not disrespectful. The merchants aren't allowed to do this, but they are allowed to have minimums to address this. You are saying they should be forced to take a loss because other customers will be profitable. This means you are asking other customers to subsidize you. Any time you insist on someone else to pay for you, you have a very hard case to make. I am not saying some merchants shouldn't do it, I am just saying you shouldn't insist on it.

 

The contract now ALLOWS for minimums. You are stuck in the past.

[Up4anything]

I have noticed more and more establishments asking for ID recently. Just the other day at Old Navy, buying my daughter these ugly sparkly shoes she HAD to have.

 

The clerk seemed new and I made a comment "well this is new, since when do you have to be of age to buy girl shoes". I asked to speak to a manager, and informed her of the proper procedure in accepting credit cards. In the end, I did not show my ID and took about 10-15 minutes holding up their line.

 

Perhaps they will start rethinking their ways when they realize they're ticking off multiple customers at once, not simply the ones that are being asked to show ID, because of the holdup at the line?

 

Sorry, but most people don't know about the whole ID thing, nor do they even care. I guarantee you that probably every customer standing in line behind you are just thinking about how they'd like to smack you for holding everyone up when you could easily rectify the situation in about 5 seconds.

 

What exactly is on your ID that is so sacred? It isn't like your SS# is on there like 10yrs ago. Your address, your DOB, and your DL #. I can just as easily take the name off your CC and find that information out without any problem. Google usually does the trick, but isn't the only way. In all honesty, I could pull up behind you in my car and simply use your license plate # to find out the same info on your DL. Your own local government offices sell that information for the same price as cheeseburger.

 

Hacking your wireless internet, your bluetooth cell phone...so many more easier and safer ways to get your information than being the one who you know you handed it to directly, probably on camera, in a brick and mortar store. You imprint your name and address on everything you do online in the form of an IP address. Everywhere you go, everywhere you post. That information is there for those who know how to get it.

 

If you truly want to protect your identity, hiding your ID in your wallet isn't going to do the trick. If the joy of arguing with strangers just trying to do their jobs, even if they're doing it wrong, is what you're after...well, I'm truly sorry.

 

Ultimately, it is your choice. But seriously, next time, ask the customers behind you how they feel about it. I don't think you're going to get a hero's welcome when you turn around. Don't pretend like you're doing this for anyone else's benefit, or even your own. Both of you two just seem to enjoy the argument. No big deal, I like debates as well, but not at the expense of others. Like the people standing behind you, thinking...well, we can only guess. But seriously...ask them next time! I don't think you two will get the response you seem to think you'll get.

 

Are you thick? This is the second time you ranted about his displeasure about having his rights violated. If you're behind me in line and irritated that I'm refusing to provide ID, that's your fault for your own ignorance, not mine.

 

The fact is, you just showed them your credit card, and expiration date, and CVV2 number, and full name, and signature.... now you're going to give them your address, DL#, etc... you are foolish.

 

PS - I don't think you'd get all that from my license plate. You'd get the address of my business and that is all.

 

I am a merchant and we CAN NOT, not "shouldn't", CAN NOT ask you for ID if you have signed the back of your VISA or M/C. AMEX and Discover are different.

 

If we are found in violation of that policy, we can lose the ability to accept VISA or MC. VISA and M/C is unwilling to cover the fraud on account if the CASHIER or BUSINESS is not careful with their records, or acts to commit fraud. It makes it far easier to do that if you stupidly show them all the missing information they need. The LAST thing they need is your SS#.

 

Asking for ID does nothing to protect YOU. It is only to offer the MERCHANT greater protection. Furthermore, it's against the rules.

Edited September 11, 2010 by Up4anything

[Up4anything]

1. Asking for the supervisor speeds it up somehow? It takes 10 seconds tops to whip out the ID, and if this were truly the concern, you could simply file a complaint with Visa/MC about the merchant in question after the fact. Without holding up everyone behind you.

 

2. How often do people carry a credit card but not ID? I can only guess, but I'd say this is probably rare to have one but not the other.

 

3. Again, the only personal info on your ID is name, address, and ID #. This is information that anyone can get quite easily with access only to your name, which is on your card to begin with. Your credit card is the one in need of protection (which is why they ask for the ID to begin with).

 

Why do those who know the least feel compelled to argue the most?

 

1. Asking for the supervisor speeds it up somehow? It takes 10 seconds tops to whip out the ID, and if this were truly the concern, you could simply file a complaint with Visa/MC about the merchant in question after the fact. Without holding up everyone behind you.

No, the manager not doing his/her job causes and continues the delay. Are you the kind of person that blames the rape victim instead of the assaulter? "Her dress meant she was asking for it!"

 

2. How often do people carry a credit card but not ID? I can only guess, but I'd say this is probably rare to have one but not the other.

I do all the time. Especially out excercising, or at the beach or something. Additionally, my ID is difficult to get in and out of the window that holds it in my wallet. I get even more irritated when they ask me to remove it.

 

3. Again, the only personal info on your ID is name, address, and ID #. This is information that anyone can get quite easily with access only to your name, which is on your card to begin with. Your credit card is the one in need of protection (which is why they ask for the ID to begin with).

 

Again you don't know what you are talking about. My full REAL name is Johnathon Michael Bailey. See what you can get.

 

Now let me give you a full credit account, my address, and DL# and see what you can find. Is your brain on yet?

[Up4anything]

Most stores do make money taking credit cards. And the combination of respecting the customer (as they have in the past and most still do) and honoring a contract which the merchant agreed to seems to be the obvious right thing to do.

 

Exactly.

[Up4anything]

To whomever CENSORED my post:

 

My words are MY words. If you change them, they are YOUR words. Put YOUR name next to them, not MINE.

[radi8]

charge backs are mainly useful for the consumer when a retailer or service has not lived up to the expectations of the transaction. if a retailer has a lot of charge backs it might need to rethink how it treats consumers.

 

I'd like to think that's the case, but the truth of the matter is there's a lot of lazy scum out there that'll try to get something for nothing every chance they get.

I agree. a lot of retailers are scummy and are only out to rip off the consumer.

 

 

That too.

[radi8]

To whomever CENSORED my post:

 

My words are MY words. If you change them, they are YOUR words. Put YOUR name next to them, not MINE.

 

 

The only people with the ability to alter a post are you and the site admin/moderators. What exactly was changed?

[BBQ123]

If you order a pizza with extra cheese, the sign says it costs $1.00 for the extra cheese, and then they decide to just charge $3, that's not okay.

 

Likewise, if you are told that to make purchases with your credit card, all you need to do is sign the back of it and present it to the merchant, then it's not OK for them to also then say you need ID too.

[LBCS]

Again you don't know what you are talking about. My full REAL name is Johnathon Michael Bailey. See what you can get.

 

Now let me give you a full credit account, my address, and DL# and see what you can find. Is your brain on yet?

 

LOL, some people are just oblivious to the dangers of exposing too much information.

 

Anyways, I live in CA and here it is impossible to have a regular shopping experience if I have to refuse ID. So I accepted defeat and show ID just to keep peace with my wife and for own sanity. However a year or so ago got a chance to obtain another type of government ID (without my address or other such info) and show that in shady establishments (like the car wash I went to a few weeks ago).