Unarmed boy shot and killed by neighborhood watch captain...

[road2freedom]

I don't see it.... 8 years old, we're talking 3rd graders. Unless they were improperly exposed (as you assume with GZ), they wouldn't and shouldn't know hardly anything about sex.

[Bad Doctor Frost]

I don't see it.... 8 years old, we're talking 3rd graders. Unless they were improperly exposed (as you assume with GZ), they wouldn't and shouldn't know hardly anything about sex.

 

That's quite the naive view of the world. Furthermore, 3rd grade is usually when the sex talk is taught in schools (or at least it was for me, in 1996).

 

It's very normal for something like this to come out so many years later for the very reason she stated.

[TeeSharice]

I don't see it.... 8 years old, we're talking 3rd graders. Unless they were improperly exposed (as you assume with GZ), they wouldn't and shouldn't know hardly anything about sex.

 

 

Where did I indicate I ASSUMED anything with GZ??

 

as far as 3rd graders knowing about sex...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/third-graders-oral-sex-tallulah-elementary-school_n_1375399.html

 

http://www.education.com/reference/article/Ref_Theres_No_Place_3rd/?page=2

 

http://www.everydayhealth.com/sexual-health/0111/what-should-second-graders-know-about-sex.aspx

[orangecrush]

From what I have read, she didn't call about the molestation. She called, because she thought Zimmerman may have done something, because Trayvon was black.

 

I thought that the defense team and some friends alleged a few weeks ago that Zimmerman's mother was very abusive and that he had been estranged from his family.

[orangecrush]

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-childhood-abuse-2012-7

 

An unidentified witness who's apparently close to George Zimmerman revealed sad details about the neighborhood watchman's life in a recently released interview with Florida investigators.

 

"[Redacted] confirmed that Zimmerman's mother [redacted] was very strict and dominant. His mother was known to hit him all the time when Zimmerman was growing up. Up until this incident, Zimmerman was estranged from his family ... His father did not discipline and did not stick up for the kids as they were abused by their mother

[orangecrush]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman-_n_1676729.html

 

 

“I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black,” the witness told investigators. “Because growing up they’ve always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people. They like black people if they act white and other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people.”

 

The woman said that Zimmerman’s Peruvian mother was among the more boastfully racist of the clan.

 

 

The woman's interview is the second testimony in the past week in which people familiar with Zimmerman’s family have intimated that the group harbored negative racial views.

 

Last week, in another release of evidence which included dozens of interviews conducted by the FBI during its investigation into whether or not racial bias might have played a role in Martin’s killing, an ex-fiancé of Geroge Zimmerman’s said that Zimmerman’s mother resented her because she wasn’t white.

The woman, who described herself as being of Puerto Rican and Argentinean descent, said that Zimmerman's mother would talk openly about her racial views.

 

Zimmerman's mother would often talk about "marrying into white families in order to improve one's status," she said.

 

[road2freedom]

Oh lord so now because we have family members from a different time that were (are) racist that makes us racist? I guess y'all might as well label me then because my 80+ y/o grandfather is still behind the times.

 

I see the media is at it again.

[road2freedom]

I don't see it.... 8 years old, we're talking 3rd graders. Unless they were improperly exposed (as you assume with GZ), they wouldn't and shouldn't know hardly anything about sex.

 

That's quite the naive view of the world. Furthermore, 3rd grade is usually when the sex talk is taught in schools (or at least it was for me, in 1996).

 

It's very normal for something like this to come out so many years later for the very reason she stated.

 

It's 5th grade here... I only know that because I have to hear about it from the Mrs every year. She taught 3rd grade here too, but didn't have nearly as many surprising stories as she has with 5th graders.

[road2freedom]

I don't see it.... 8 years old, we're talking 3rd graders. Unless they were improperly exposed (as you assume with GZ), they wouldn't and shouldn't know hardly anything about sex.

 

 

Where did I indicate I ASSUMED anything with GZ??

 

as far as 3rd graders knowing about sex...

http://www.huffingto..._n_1375399.html

 

http://www.education...ace_3rd/?page=2

 

http://www.everydayh...-about-sex.aspx

 

I think you proved my point.

 

Currently, there are no standards, and the average student spends a little more than 17 hours over his pre-college academic lifetime learning about sexual health (including information on preventing STDs, HIV, and pregnancy), according to a study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Division of Adolescent School Health — about 3 of those hours take place in elementary school, about 6 occur in middle school, and about 8 happen in high school

 

The three hours they get in 5th grade is very basic and most kids are shocked by it. Some parents even opt their kids out of the presentation because they would rather have the talk on their own (thus proving they haven't had the talk at an earlier age).

 

None of that explains that being sexually active in 3rd grade is at all "normal".

[orangecrush]

Oh lord so now because we have family members from a different time that were (are) racist that makes us racist? I guess y'all might as well label me then because my 80+ y/o grandfather is still behind the times.

 

I see the media is at it again.

 

 

The media isn't at anything. No one said that Zimmerman was racist, because of his parents. The witnesses said it (implied it), because of their experiences with Zimmerman and what they have heard him say.

 

Personally, I don't see why people are so afraid to admit that they don't like people of other races (whatever that means) or ethnicities. So what? As long as you aren't beating up or killing someone, because of their race that's your right.

 

Same with associating with people of other races.

 

Political correctness is getting on my nerves.

Edited July 17, 2012 by orangecrush

[orangecrush]

Jail call says defense attorney knew about Zimmerman’s hidden money

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2898502/jail-call-says-defense-attorney.html

 

 

Prosecutors released nearly 150 of George Zimmerman’s recorded jailhouse phone calls Monday, including one that suggests his defense attorney knew from the start that tens of thousands of dollars in donations had begun pouring in.

 

In a phone call recorded April 14 between Zimmerman and a friend named Scott, the two discuss the new defense lawyer and the attorney’s vision for an upcoming bond hearing. Zimmerman tells his friend that he told his new attorney, Mark O’Mara, that he tried to transfer $37,000 from his online legal defense fund site, but could not complete the transaction because of PayPal rules that prevent transfers larger than $10,000.

 

He twice mentions telling O’Mara about the money.

 

“He said he’s going to have me declared indigent,” Zimmerman told his friend. “I told him I didn’t think that would be possible, because there was one sizable transfer I tried to make. It got stopped. You know, $37. He said: ‘Well that doesn’t matter. Right now you’re not working. You’re not providing an income for your family. You’re probably not going to be employable for the rest of your life.’”

 

At one point the friend asks whether O’Mara knew “the volume” of the donations that came into the PayPal account Zimmerman had set up to solicit donations from the public. Zimmerman said O’Mara knew about the attempted transfer of $37,000, but not any more than that.

They agreed to keep it that way.

 

 

Critics have questioned O’Mara’s role in the plot, wondering whether he was really duped by his client or if he played a role in misleading the court.

 

Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, testified that it was her brother-in-law who managed the online donations and she did not know how much was in it. O’Mara did not call Zimmerman’s brother to testify.

 

Reached late Monday, O’Mara insisted he did not know about the money.

 

“I recall now some conversation of a transfer, but I don’t recall a specific amount,” O’Mara told The Miami Herald. “If it was $10,000 or $100,000 or $30,000, I would have remembered. It’s not the type of thing you would risk your license to practice law over.”

He stressed that the recording shows that Zimmerman was keeping him “at an arm’s length” regarding the funding he had raised. He does not think the recording is clear-cut about whether Zimmerman told him about the money.

 

“I would have remembered $37,000,” he said. “I can’t imagine not remembering. It puts my credibility on the line.”

 

[KYBOSH]

6 and 8? And it went on for 10 years? I hate to discount what she says occured but the timing, duration, and age make this sound a little suspicious.

 

The guy could be a total creep... but it does seem odd that it comes out now.

 

 

I said the same thing when all those grown men started accusing those preists. Seemed kinda odd...

[TeeSharice]

 

 

I think you proved my point.

 

 

 

None of that explains that being sexually active in 3rd grade is at all "normal".

 

 

 

no, I think you proved MINE...

 

your wife is a teacher?, so Im hoping the term "READING IS FUNDAMENTAL" is not unfamiliar to you...

 

Just as I NEVER said GZ was abused as a kid, NOR did I said being sexually active in 3rd grade is normal....

 

 

 

What I DID say:

 

- it was NOT abnormal for molestation victims to initially report their abuse 20+ years later, in fact it is a very COMMON thing.

 

- if by chance GZ DID in fact abuse the lady, it COULD mean he was also abused because 8 yr old molesters TEND to have been abused themselves.

 

- 3rd graders know a LOT more about sex than what you assume and there is curriculum in schools now teaching sex ed for 3rd graders and experts suggest it is a good thing ( teaching sex ed and having sex are NOT mutually inclusive)

[road2freedom]

I think you proved my point.

 

 

 

None of that explains that being sexually active in 3rd grade is at all "normal".

 

 

 

no, I think you proved MINE...

 

your wife is a teacher?, so Im hoping the term "READING IS FUNDAMENTAL" is not unfamiliar to you...

 

Just as I NEVER said GZ was abused as a kid, NOR did I said being sexually active in 3rd grade is normal....

 

 

 

What I DID say:

 

- it was NOT abnormal for molestation victims to initially report their abuse 20+ years later, in fact it is a very COMMON thing.

 

- if by chance GZ DID in fact abuse the lady, it COULD mean he was also abused because 8 yr old molesters TEND to have been abused themselves.

 

- 3rd graders know a LOT more about sex than what you assume and there is curriculum in schools now teaching sex ed for 3rd graders and experts suggest it is a good thing ( teaching sex ed and having sex are NOT mutually inclusive)

 

Wow someone is getting defensive....

 

 

as far as the subject at hand, I wouldnt be surprised if Zimmerman's people now say he was himself a rape victim ( yes, we know this isnt going to be introduced to the TM case, but it will help him get sympathy in the court of public knowledge)

 

Okay so I said assumed... would you be happier if I said implied? Because that's what you did.

 

More speculation is just what this case needs... and again why I said the media is at it again. Don't you realize they don't have to print it to make you think it? Okay, talk about the witness coming forward. In this day of armchair legal experts, most people automatically think, okay he's a perv, this was introduced to defame his character, and that his defense would have to mount a rebuttal, which in all likelihood would mean either discrediting the witness or claiming, he himself was abused. Everyone knows what this means in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't mean we have to buy what they are selling.

 

And again, the links you provided explain that the second grader basically knows about entry level reproduction, which I hate to tell you is often taught as PLANT reproduction at that grade level. The sex talk doesn't begin until 5th grade and even then it's very basic. Plus we are talking 20 years ago... things were different than they are now, and not as provocative at a young age.

 

So yes, I kan reed gud and form an opinion without someone else telling me to do it.

[orangecrush]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-lawyer-molest-claim-irrelevant-murder-case/story?id=16786905

 

 

She told investigators that in 2005 she told her family who confronted Zimmerman in a restaurant about the allegations, and that they were in shock.

 

"Instead of talking about it, he sat down at the end of the booth and said I'm sorry, and just got up and walked out," according to the report.

 

The witness said she and her family decided against pressing charges, but that Zimmerman has been estranged from them ever since.

 

 

If her family backs her on this, then Zimmerman will have some real problems.

 

If she is lying, she needs some jail time.

[angeleyeskkhr]

So.... Hmm. Is CPS gonna get called because its not "normal" if i admit I have already had the birds and bees talk with my 8 year old on numerous occasions? Cuz if it will, I totally won't admit it.

 

I, personally, feel bad for kids when their parents wait until they are teenagers to teach them sex education.

[angeleyeskkhr]

Errr. Getting ahead of myself...she still has THREE months before she is 8. My bad lol

[road2freedom]

Last night, in his first interview since killing the unarmed 17-year-old, the former neighborhood watch volunteer said the shooting death must have been part of "God's plan" and that he prays for the Martin family daily.

 

I'm not sure if he's crazy or genius...

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-parents-reject-george-zimmerman-apology-130326614.html

[orangecrush]

Last night, in his first interview since killing the unarmed 17-year-old, the former neighborhood watch volunteer said the shooting death must have been part of "God's plan" and that he prays for the Martin family daily.

 

I'm not sure if he's crazy or genius...

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-parents-reject-george-zimmerman-apology-130326614.html

 

 

He is an salamander. I don't think that interview did him any good. They are already saying that there is a difference in what he told the cops about Trayvon walking/running/skipping and what he said in the interview.

 

I haven't seen any of the interview, but my neighbor gave me an earful today. I am kind of mad at Zimmerman about that.

 

My neighbor, who has been a very vocal supporter of Zimmerman, saw the interview and now thinks he is lying. He doesn't believe Zimmerman's claim that he didn't know about the Stand Your Ground law.

[blackberry74]

Of course I didn't watch that "interview", but I listen to a talk radio station that's been playing excerpts. His story sounds completely & totally implausible. Trayvon would have to have had about 4 or 5 hands to do everything that Zimmerman claims he was. Plus I hate his face.

[orangecrush]

Barbara Walters cancels interview with Zimmerman...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/barbara-walters-george-zimmerman-interivew-demands_n_1685668.html

[orangecrush]

Special prosecutor: I'll use Hannity's interview with George Zimmerman against him

 

 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-interview-react-20120719_1_trayvon-martin-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-george-zimmerman

 

 

 

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey during the noon-hour filed formal notice that she intends to use the interview as evidence against Zimmerman.

 

Zimmerman deviated at least twice from his previous versions of what happened the night he shot Trayvon. He told Hannity he got out of his truck to follow Trayvon because he needed to find a house number to help police find him, but in recorded interviews with Sanford police, he said it was because he needed to find the street's name, something detectives challenged him on.

 

Also, Zimmerman told Hannity that Trayvon "skipped" away from him and did not run in fear when after they first spotted each other a minute or two before their fatal face-to-face confrontation.

[blackberry74]

Dude is an salamander.

[road2freedom]

Special prosecutor: I'll use Hannity's interview with George Zimmerman against him

 

 

http://articles.orla...eorge-zimmerman

 

 

 

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey during the noon-hour filed formal notice that she intends to use the interview as evidence against Zimmerman.

 

Zimmerman deviated at least twice from his previous versions of what happened the night he shot Trayvon. He told Hannity he got out of his truck to follow Trayvon because he needed to find a house number to help police find him, but in recorded interviews with Sanford police, he said it was because he needed to find the street's name, something detectives challenged him on.

 

Also, Zimmerman told Hannity that Trayvon "skipped" away from him and did not run in fear when after they first spotted each other a minute or two before their fatal face-to-face confrontation.

 

Nothing pivotal there... mostly semantics.

[orangecrush]

Special prosecutor: I'll use Hannity's interview with George Zimmerman against him

 

 

http://articles.orla...eorge-zimmerman

 

 

 

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey during the noon-hour filed formal notice that she intends to use the interview as evidence against Zimmerman.

 

Zimmerman deviated at least twice from his previous versions of what happened the night he shot Trayvon. He told Hannity he got out of his truck to follow Trayvon because he needed to find a house number to help police find him, but in recorded interviews with Sanford police, he said it was because he needed to find the street's name, something detectives challenged him on.

 

Also, Zimmerman told Hannity that Trayvon "skipped" away from him and did not run in fear when after they first spotted each other a minute or two before their fatal face-to-face confrontation.

 

Nothing pivotal there... mostly semantics.

 

 

A guy who allegedly patrols his neighborhood on a regular basis, claiming to not know what street he is on sounds suspect. Changing his story to say that he was looking for a house number sounds more plausible.

 

Running and skipping away are more than semantics. If Usain Bolt skipped during the Olymipcs, he wouldn't have a medal. Running implies that a person has to get somewhere in a hurry or get away in a hurry. Skipping implies no urgency.