Unarmed boy shot and killed by neighborhood watch captain...

[Echo_X]

The law itself does not equate to murder. There are reasonable situations in which stand your ground protects a person exercising self defense. It's hard to pass judgement without being there imo... did he actually intend to harm the driver? Would you rather wait until the driver was dead to find out if that was the result? I wouldn't... if I was the driver of course.

 

 

There is some irony in this case... this time it was a black guy shooting a "white-hispanic". The shooter has yet to be charged and is not in jail. No white militant groups (or white-hispanic militant groups... do those exist?) have publicly placed a bounty on his head. No massive marches or rallies. No reverends. No US presidents claiming he looks like their son.

 

In situations where a person is clearly acting to protect him self where failure to act would have, without question, lead to his death, the odds are overwhelming that no charges will be filed because no one would ever convict. If your story doesn't pan out, you have a problem. This is good because it prevents unevolved shaven primates from solving all their problems by shooting at them.

 

Any law that says it is okay to kill someone because they aren't around to tell their side of the story is an atrocity. You do not have a right to immunity from investigation and questioning to confirm your story. The law, again, is an atrocity, and the people who voted for it are sick.

 

Under the stand your ground law, you could walk up to any person on the street, start an argument with him, and as soon as it escalates to the point you can pretend you feel threatened, you can pull out a gun and shoot him. This is not a matter of gun rights, it is a matter of the law being criminally unjust.

 

You want to talk about situations? How about this situation, you get into a fender bender with some guy in traffic, he hops out of the car and empties his gun into your car, killing you, your wife, and your children, then when the police show up he says "he had been tail gating me for a while, I thought he was following me, and then he crashed into me I think he was trying to run me off the road, when I got out to assess the damage and confront him, I saw him holding something, I thought it was a gun, I had to act to stop him from shooting!" Man is, of course, lying through his teeth, but as you and your family are now rotting corpses, there is no one around to challenge him. So he goes free, and you go in the ground.

 

Stand your ground. The ground it stands on is cemetery dirt.

[road2freedom]

The law itself does not equate to murder. There are reasonable situations in which stand your ground protects a person exercising self defense. It's hard to pass judgement without being there imo... did he actually intend to harm the driver? Would you rather wait until the driver was dead to find out if that was the result? I wouldn't... if I was the driver of course.

 

 

There is some irony in this case... this time it was a black guy shooting a "white-hispanic". The shooter has yet to be charged and is not in jail. No white militant groups (or white-hispanic militant groups... do those exist?) have publicly placed a bounty on his head. No massive marches or rallies. No reverends. No US presidents claiming he looks like their son.

 

In situations where a person is clearly acting to protect him self where failure to act would have, without question, lead to his death, the odds are overwhelming that no charges will be filed because no one would ever convict. If your story doesn't pan out, you have a problem. This is good because it prevents unevolved shaven primates from solving all their problems by shooting at them.

 

Any law that says it is okay to kill someone because they aren't around to tell their side of the story is an atrocity. You do not have a right to immunity from investigation and questioning to confirm your story. The law, again, is an atrocity, and the people who voted for it are sick.

 

Under the stand your ground law, you could walk up to any person on the street, start an argument with him, and as soon as it escalates to the point you can pretend you feel threatened, you can pull out a gun and shoot him. This is not a matter of gun rights, it is a matter of the law being criminally unjust.

 

You want to talk about situations? How about this situation, you get into a fender bender with some guy in traffic, he hops out of the car and empties his gun into your car, killing you, your wife, and your children, then when the police show up he says "he had been tail gating me for a while, I thought he was following me, and then he crashed into me I think he was trying to run me off the road, when I got out to assess the damage and confront him, I saw him holding something, I thought it was a gun, I had to act to stop him from shooting!" Man is, of course, lying through his teeth, but as you and your family are now rotting corpses, there is no one around to challenge him. So he goes free, and you go in the ground.

 

Stand your ground. The ground it stands on is cemetery dirt.

 

Draw faster?

 

Look, I'm not saying it's perfect, but for every stretch of the imagination scenario you come up with I could come up with dozens of legitimate uses for this law. We can go back and forth on this for days... all I said what there are reasonable situations where stand your ground protects the victim. Equating anyone's use of the law as murderers is ignorant. What you fail to recognize is why this law was enacted and how a victim's hands were literally tied before it came about. Can it use a few tweaks? Probably. But then again, most laws can. In the mean time keep your hands to yourself and MYOB and you will probably be fine.

[cljohnr]

Any law that says it is okay to kill someone because they aren't around to tell their side of the story is an atrocity. You do not have a right to immunity from investigation and questioning to confirm your story. The law, again, is an atrocity, and the people who voted for it are sick.

There's no immunity from investigation.

 

You want to talk about situations? How about this situation, you get into a fender bender with some guy in traffic, he hops out of the car and empties his gun into your car, killing you, your wife, and your children, then when the police show up he says "he had been tail gating me for a while, I thought he was following me, and then he crashed into me I think he was trying to run me off the road, when I got out to assess the damage and confront him, I saw him holding something, I thought it was a gun, I had to act to stop him from shooting!" Man is, of course, lying through his teeth, but as you and your family are now rotting corpses, there is no one around to challenge him. So he goes free, and you go in the ground.

That's just asinine.

[road2freedom]

Breaking News: GZ bond was just revoked. The judge determined he knew about the legal fund that was available to him, that his wife lied about it, and that he did not do anything to correct the testimony.

 

Tip of the day - don't lie to the judge.

[blackberry74]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecution-requests-george-zimmermans-bond-revoked/story?id=16476183#.T8kORsWwXgU

 

Not too swift, Georgie.

[NeverQuietHere]

I am sure he will explain that away....

 

ETA: I am not surprised though. He thinks he can work the system. Who was it that said "that's all you got?" when I said he lied on the stand earlier??? lmao.

Edited June 1, 2012 by NeverQuietHere

[mk_378]

Tip of the day - don't lie to the judge.

True there. Judges remember these things. Even if he doesn't have the same judge for the trial, it's going to hurt him.

[road2freedom]

Tip of the day - don't lie to the judge.

True there. Judges remember these things. Even if he doesn't have the same judge for the trial, it's going to hurt him.

 

Yeah, I caught a live feed of the hearing. The judge was reasonable and let the passport thing go, but was not too pleased about the $$ part. He had the option of modifying the bail but instead revoked it on the spot.

[cashnocredit]

GZ does seem to be doing a good job of shooting himself in the foot. Too bad he didn't do that before he shot Martin.

[mk_378]

People sent him a bunch of money, which he wisely used to get into jail.

Edited June 1, 2012 by mk_378

[hegemony]

GZ does seem to be doing a good job of shooting himself in the foot. Too bad he didn't do that before he shot Martin.

+1,000

[beli]

People sent him a bunch of money, which he wisely used to get into jail.

If that was the case (which it very well might be) why were the phone calls cryptic when they were talking about it?

[road2freedom]

People sent him a bunch of money, which he wisely used to get into jail.

If that was the case (which it very well might be) why were the phone calls cryptic when they were talking about it?

 

I think you might have missed the sarcasm there

[beli]

People sent him a bunch of money, which he wisely used to get into jail.

If that was the case (which it very well might be) why were the phone calls cryptic when they were talking about it?

 

I think you might have missed the sarcasm there

Probably......

[orangecrush]

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-busted-recorded-phone-calls-171847115.html

 

In regards to Zimmerman's passport mix up, the motion uses state department records to prove the existence of a second passport. Records show Zimmerman applied for a second passport in 2004 because the passport he surrendered to the judge "was lost or stolen." Zimmerman was granted a new passport that wouldn't expire until 2014. In a recorded phone call from a few days before the April 20 bond hearing, George and Shelley talked about the passport:

Defendant: Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag.

 

Shelley Zimmerman: I have one for you in a safety deposit box...

 

Defendant: OK, you hold on to that.

 

Shelley Zimmerman: For you...

[road2freedom]

What's interesting is that the judge didn't seem all that concerned about the passport issue, and believed the lawyer's explanation (which sounded bogus imo). Maybe he knew he was going to revoke bail anyway based on the finances issue and wanted to seem balanced. So silly.. he could have been entirely honest about both and not behind bars.

[orangecrush]

What's interesting is that the judge didn't seem all that concerned about the passport issue, and believed the lawyer's explanation (which sounded bogus imo). Maybe he knew he was going to revoke bail anyway based on the finances issue and wanted to seem balanced. So silly.. he could have been entirely honest about both and not behind bars.

 

 

I think The judge knew he was going to revoke the bail. I doubt he accepted that shady explanation. I think the judge is putting the lies on the back burners of his mind. Zimmerman has messed up with regards to this.

 

I wonder what his explanation will be at the next hearing? I have a feeling the judge will let him have it.

[NeverQuietHere]

http://usnews.msnbc....s-finances?lite

 

The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversations while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised," O'Mara said Monday.

 

O'Mara said the failure to disclose the funds was motivated by fear and other pressures related to the case.

 

"Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair," O'Mara said.

 

The statement offers some new details on the fundraising picture:

 

• $37,000 has been donated by supporters since the independent fund was established in late April, O'Mara said.
• Of the $204,000 originally raised in Zimmerman's PayPal account, $30,000 was used to help him make the transition to "a life in hiding" after he was released from prison on April 23.
• An additional $20,000 was kept liquid to pay for legal expenses.

 

$30k to help him go into hiding for a few months? Wth. He obviously has been eating well. Looks like he has gained quite a few lbs back.

 

He gets that this has undermined his credibility? Lmao. That is the understatement of the year. He is just peeved because once again, he got caught.

Edited June 7, 2012 by NeverQuietHere

[sirrowan]

The law itself does not equate to murder. There are reasonable situations in which stand your ground protects a person exercising self defense. It's hard to pass judgement without being there imo... did he actually intend to harm the driver? Would you rather wait until the driver was dead to find out if that was the result? I wouldn't... if I was the driver of course.

 

 

There is some irony in this case... this time it was a black guy shooting a "white-hispanic". The shooter has yet to be charged and is not in jail. No white militant groups (or white-hispanic militant groups... do those exist?) have publicly placed a bounty on his head. No massive marches or rallies. No reverends. No US presidents claiming he looks like their son.

 

In situations where a person is clearly acting to protect him self where failure to act would have, without question, lead to his death, the odds are overwhelming that no charges will be filed because no one would ever convict. If your story doesn't pan out, you have a problem. This is good because it prevents unevolved shaven primates from solving all their problems by shooting at them.

 

Any law that says it is okay to kill someone because they aren't around to tell their side of the story is an atrocity. You do not have a right to immunity from investigation and questioning to confirm your story. The law, again, is an atrocity, and the people who voted for it are sick.

 

Under the stand your ground law, you could walk up to any person on the street, start an argument with him, and as soon as it escalates to the point you can pretend you feel threatened, you can pull out a gun and shoot him. This is not a matter of gun rights, it is a matter of the law being criminally unjust.

 

You want to talk about situations? How about this situation, you get into a fender bender with some guy in traffic, he hops out of the car and empties his gun into your car, killing you, your wife, and your children, then when the police show up he says "he had been tail gating me for a while, I thought he was following me, and then he crashed into me I think he was trying to run me off the road, when I got out to assess the damage and confront him, I saw him holding something, I thought it was a gun, I had to act to stop him from shooting!" Man is, of course, lying through his teeth, but as you and your family are now rotting corpses, there is no one around to challenge him. So he goes free, and you go in the ground.

 

Stand your ground. The ground it stands on is cemetery dirt.

 

Draw faster?

 

Look, I'm not saying it's perfect, but for every stretch of the imagination scenario you come up with I could come up with dozens of legitimate uses for this law. We can go back and forth on this for days... all I said what there are reasonable situations where stand your ground protects the victim. Equating anyone's use of the law as murderers is ignorant. What you fail to recognize is why this law was enacted and how a victim's hands were literally tied before it came about. Can it use a few tweaks? Probably. But then again, most laws can. In the mean time keep your hands to yourself and MYOB and you will probably be fine.

Agreed. I don't carry a gun with me. I have one in the house. My kids would NEVER touch it. My mom was angry for me keeping it in the house. But yeah. There are nutjobs out there.

 

The kid was not one of them.

[road2freedom]

Just make sure you keep it way out or reach and locked in some fashion. I've seen too many stories lately where kids have gotten a hold of their parent's gun and managed to shoot someone or themselves. When we eventually have little ones I'm going to have to get a big safe or two and probably one or two of those biometric boxes.

 

I always carry, where allowed anyway. I would feel like an salamander if it wasn't on me the one time I needed it. Reminds me of a friend in high school that got a speeding ticket. When I asked why the radar detector didn't work he said he turned it down because it was interfering with his music. Why have one if you are going to render it useless...

[iH8cra]

I don't carry a gun with me. I have one in the house. My kids would NEVER touch it.

 

The problem with that is that prohibiting your kids from touching it makes them very curious about it. Since you do not cover safe firearm handling, if they decide to go play with it (like all kids are liable to do) then they are at a high risk of negligently discharging it and hurting or killing someone.

 

My daughter has been raised to know that she can touch and handle any firearm I own as long as she does it safely. At age 4 or 5, she was lying on my living room floor looking through my scoped and bipod'd long-distance rifle. She worked the flip-ups and contorted into the proper prone shooting posture because she had seen me do it enough. I really wish I had taken a picture. Anyway, now firearms are no big deal to her and I never worry about her "getting into" them because there is no draw. If she wants to handle, dry-fire, or actually fire any of my guns all she has to do is ask and then demonstrate safe firearm handling.

 

Suum cuique but I believe having firearms in a household and making them the forbidden apple is rolling a die with severe consequences.

[Echo_X]

Damn it. Damn it all to hell. Now some brain dead.........

 

A man just murdered an Elementary school teacher because he was having a party and the music was "too loud".

 

Man walks over in the middle of the night, starts screaming at a man as soon as he gets out of his car, and as soon as the guy tells him to go away, the Flower Pot pulls a gun on him. Few minutes later, a teacher is lying dead in the street. And he recorded the whole thing. As he approaches, he is speaking to a 911 dispatcher, saying things like "he's armed! My life is in danger!" while on the video the man has his hands in the air and is looking at him like hes crazy.

 

Doesn't anyone get it? Blood is in the water! People have heard of this law now. This is being used as a license to kill everyone you get in an argument with and it is WORKING!

 

What the hell is it going to take to bring people around?! Some 80 year old shut in shooting a 10 year old with a shot gun because the boy was playing in the geezer's lawn?

[mk_378]

Hard to predict anything about Texas, but I expect that guy to go to prison. Sounds like he was making this plan to shoot his neighbor since before he bought the gun.

 

If he had done it with no witnesses and no video he might have gotten away with it. Never record yourself doing something illegal.

Edited June 9, 2012 by mk_378

[Echo_X]

The reason why he brought the video is because he was surrounded by witnesses. He went there to provoke a confrontation, and to try and get the guy to escalate by attacking or pulling a weapon. It is diseased reasoning to say it is okay to go and start a fight and then kill your victim because he tried to fight back. The problem is, that diseased reasoning is at the core of stand your ground. It says it doesn't matter who starts the fight as long as the person who is alive makes a reasonable argument that the person who is dead was a risk to the life of the shooter.

 

The problem is, anyone in a fight can claim that they felt their life was in danger. Even the guy who started it.

[baby duck]

Damn it. Damn it all to hell. Now some brain dead.........

 

A man just murdered an Elementary school teacher because he was having a party and the music was "too loud".

 

Man walks over in the middle of the night, starts screaming at a man as soon as he gets out of his car, and as soon as the guy tells him to go away, the Flower Pot pulls a gun on him. Few minutes later, a teacher is lying dead in the street. And he recorded the whole thing. As he approaches, he is speaking to a 911 dispatcher, saying things like "he's armed! My life is in danger!" while on the video the man has his hands in the air and is looking at him like hes crazy.

 

Doesn't anyone get it? Blood is in the water! People have heard of this law now. This is being used as a license to kill everyone you get in an argument with and it is WORKING!

 

What the hell is it going to take to bring people around?! Some 80 year old shut in shooting a 10 year old with a shot gun because the boy was playing in the geezer's lawn?

 

The shooting occurred two years ago. I do expect the shooter to be convicted.