Unarmed boy shot and killed by neighborhood watch captain...

[orangecrush]

I don't think the donors' names should be released, if they are private citizens. If donor is a corporation or non-profit, I can somewhat see releasing those names.

 

I do think that the lying about finances, looks bad.

[TeeSharice]

If donor is a corporation or non-profit, I can somewhat see releasing those names.

 

 

 

 

 

some of my FBFs are annoying the crap out of me reposting crap about boycotting certain companies who are supposedly financing Zimmerman's defense...

 

snopes ( if you are so inclined) says its false....

 

 

I HATE ALL OF THIS MISINFORMATION on BOTH SIDES!!

[orangecrush]

 

 

 

some of my FBFs are annoying the crap out of me reposting crap about boycotting certain companies who are supposedly financing Zimmerman's defense...

 

snopes ( if you are so inclined) says its false....

 

 

I HATE ALL OF THIS MISINFORMATION on BOTH SIDES!!

 

 

It is my understanding that some business entities did offer to give money to Zimmerman's defense (when he had the other attorneys). I think that they were guns rights organizations.

 

I haven't heard anything about boycotts.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the paypal donor list does have businesses on it.

 

 

ETA: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-lawyers-offer-10000-20120330_1_shooting-death-legal-expenses-legal-defense

 

The National Association for Legal Gun Defense wants to contribute $10,000 toward George Zimmerman's legal expenses, a member said today.

Edited April 27, 2012 by orangecrush

[TeeSharice]

 

 

 

some of my FBFs are annoying the crap out of me reposting crap about boycotting certain companies who are supposedly financing Zimmerman's defense...

 

snopes ( if you are so inclined) says its false....

 

 

I HATE ALL OF THIS MISINFORMATION on BOTH SIDES!!

 

 

It is my understanding that some business entities did offer to give money to Zimmerman's defense (when he had the other attorneys). I think that they were guns rights organizations.

 

I haven't heard anything about boycotts.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the paypal donor list does have businesses on it.

 

 

 

Dont get me wrong, I dislike the Koch corp for other reasons... but this info about Zimmerman donations thus far is false

 

http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/falseallegations-zimmerman/

 

Thursday, April 19th, 2012

Confronting False Allegations about the George Zimmerman Case

 

Contrary to an irresponsible rumor that began circulating online on April 18, Koch has no involvement whatsoever with the defense of George Zimmerman, the defendant in the Trayvon Martin case.

[orangecrush]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

[hegemony]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

 

not surprised since the youngster was defending himself from a nut case.

[road2freedom]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

 

not surprised since the youngster was defending himself from a nut case.

 

[blackberry74]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

 

not surprised since the youngster was defending himself from a nut case.

 

Basically. Seems like Trayvon was standing his ground to me.

[cinderella]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

 

not surprised since the youngster was defending himself from a nut case.

 

 

Please don't bash somoene's fantasy road.

 

The stereotype of a white guy jumping out of a truck, hunting down a child based soley on race, and then randomly executing him because of his skin color is a stereotype the media played out. Great for ratings, although ultimately three employees at NBC have been fired over misleading editing. Broken nose and lacerations mean nothing to some.

 

A lot of folks are guilty of racism and stereotyping, this is no different. A medical report showing injuries are not suffient to kill the fantasy.

[hegemony]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

 

not surprised since the youngster was defending himself from a nut case.

 

 

Please don't bash somoene's fantasy road.

 

The stereotype of a white guy jumping out of a truck, hunting down a child based soley on race, and then randomly executing him because of his skin color is a stereotype the media played out. Great for ratings, although ultimately three employees at NBC have been fired over misleading editing. Broken nose and lacerations mean nothing to some.

 

A lot of folks are guilty of racism and stereotyping, this is no different. A medical report showing injuries are not suffient to kill the fantasy.

 

 

sure says a lot about you when you interject race as a reason for my comment when race is not the issue here or in any of my posts in this thread. GZ could have murdered a purple Marian and I'd feel the same about his salamanderic actions which include ignoring the request of a dispatcher.

[cljohnr]

They're going to have to move this trial to an Amish community to have any hope of finding an unbiased jury if this goes to trial.

[road2freedom]

Anyone can argue without the facts and doing so is pointless. Hey Hege, I think you are an salamander for buying an $8200 refrigerator. Granted I'm missing the fact that you were merely "shopping". See this is fun.

[blackberry74]

Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations

 

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

 

not surprised since the youngster was defending himself from a nut case.

 

 

Please don't bash somoene's fantasy road.

 

The stereotype of a white guy jumping out of a truck, hunting down a child based soley on race, and then randomly executing him because of his skin color is a stereotype the media played out. Great for ratings, although ultimately three employees at NBC have been fired over misleading editing. Broken nose and lacerations mean nothing to some.

 

A lot of folks are guilty of racism and stereotyping, this is no different. A medical report showing injuries are not suffient to kill the fantasy.

 

WTF?

[Tigz]

I think that now that it will go to trial, the jury needs to be the one to decide his fate....not the general public. I really see no need for the media to keep stirring the pot.

 

The important thing is is that JUSTICE needs to be served.

 

AND the law needs to be changed.

From the get-go, I have said that the concept of the law is good (to be able to protect yourself) but I believe that rigid tests need to be applied to ensure that that the person who "defends' him/herself is not the instigator or mutual combatant. I believe each case should be investigated as a homicide, given to the courts, and then let them determine if a homicide (or proper azz beating) is justifiable.

[Labyrinthine]

I think a lot of assumptions have been made from all sides. Some folks were quick to scream racism and some were quick to assume Trayvon had done something to deserve being shot. I tend to think a lot of bad decisions were made that night and we will probably never know what happened. It is long past time to stop seeing this case in terms of race - which many people have - and time to let justice work it out.

[hegemony]

Anyone can argue without the facts and doing so is pointless. Hey Hege, I think you are an salamander for buying an $8200 refrigerator. Granted I'm missing the fact that you were merely "shopping". See this is fun.

 

WTF?

 

I don't think there is much to argue about the "fact" GZ ignored the dispatcher's request, left his vehicle, and followed the other American Citizen only to MURDER him. If GZ stayed in his vehicle like a good maniac his life, and Mr. Martin's, would not have been ruined.

Edited May 16, 2012 by hegemony

[Fallon]

Anyone can argue without the facts and doing so is pointless. Hey Hege, I think you are an salamander for buying an $8200 refrigerator. Granted I'm missing the fact that you were merely "shopping". See this is fun.

 

WTF?

 

I don't think there is much to argue about the "fact" GZ ignored the dispatcher's request, left his vehicle, and followed the other American Citizen only to MURDER him. If GZ stayed in his vehicle like a good maniac his life, and Mr. Martin's, would not have been ruined.

Zimmerman's maintained all along he started to follow Martin, and stopped when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to.

[hegemony]

Anyone can argue without the facts and doing so is pointless. Hey Hege, I think you are an salamander for buying an $8200 refrigerator. Granted I'm missing the fact that you were merely "shopping". See this is fun.

 

WTF?

 

I don't think there is much to argue about the "fact" GZ ignored the dispatcher's request, left his vehicle, and followed the other American Citizen only to MURDER him. If GZ stayed in his vehicle like a good maniac his life, and Mr. Martin's, would not have been ruined.

Zimmerman's maintained all along he started to follow Martin, and stopped when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to.

 

so "facts" from GZ are not to be questioned? He never should have gotten out of the vehicle.

[blackberry74]

Exactly. Had he stayed in his car as he should have, none of this would have ever happened. Why do people keep conveniently overlooking that fact?

[Fallon]

Anyone can argue without the facts and doing so is pointless. Hey Hege, I think you are an salamander for buying an $8200 refrigerator. Granted I'm missing the fact that you were merely "shopping". See this is fun.

 

WTF?

 

I don't think there is much to argue about the "fact" GZ ignored the dispatcher's request, left his vehicle, and followed the other American Citizen only to MURDER him. If GZ stayed in his vehicle like a good maniac his life, and Mr. Martin's, would not have been ruined.

Zimmerman's maintained all along he started to follow Martin, and stopped when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to.

 

so "facts" from GZ are not to be questioned? He never should have gotten out of the vehicle.

LOL. Not at all. Analyze them all you want. I've seen several analysis that have concluded he did start to pursue, as evidenced by the increased rate of breathing. Then shortly after the dispatcher told him not to follow, his breathing returned to normal. It just seems if anyone's taking things as "fact" it's you with what the media has been spooning out. I say let the courts decide.

[mk_378]

Zimmerman's maintained all along he started to follow Martin, and stopped when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to.

That doesn't agree with several facts of the evidence that has been made public though.

* The police dispatcher suggested police meet with George at the spot he was then talking from. George said he "will call back" with a location to meet the police--- I conclude that is because he planned to move in an unknown direction. The unknown direction would have to be to chase Trayvon.

* Trayvon told his girlfriend on the phone that someone had been following him for a while, and that he was still being followed right as the call disconnected about one minute before he was shot. The disconnection appeared to be the result of a fight starting.

* George was not in his car or near a road sign (one of his other tales relayed by the family) when he fired the shot.

Edited May 16, 2012 by mk_378

[Fallon]

Zimmerman's maintained all along he started to follow Martin, and stopped when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to.

That doesn't agree with several facts of the evidence though.

* The police dispatcher suggested police meet with George at the spot he was then talking from. George said he "will call back" with a location to meet the police--- I conclude that is because he expected to move in an unknown direction. The unknown direction would have to be to chase Trayvon.

* Trayvon told his girlfriend on the phone that someone had been following him for a while, and that he was still being followed right as the call disconnected about one minute before he was shot. The disconnection appeared to be the result of a fight starting.

* George was not in his car or near a road sign (one of his other tales relayed by the family) when he fired the shot.

Interesting "facts". I've read many conflicting reports and even more alleged "facts".

[mk_378]

There is a long time and distance between when George claims he quit following Trayvon, and when they were found next to each other with one of them dead. No explanation makes any sense other than that George was in active pursuit.

[Tigz]

Here is the fact.

 

One fact only.

 

A young man is dead, and he shouldn't be.

 

That is probably the one and only undisputed fact, and it is the most important one.

[road2freedom]

Anyone can argue without the facts and doing so is pointless. Hey Hege, I think you are an salamander for buying an $8200 refrigerator. Granted I'm missing the fact that you were merely "shopping". See this is fun.

 

WTF?

 

I don't think there is much to argue about the "fact" GZ ignored the dispatcher's request, left his vehicle, and followed the other American Citizen only to MURDER him. If GZ stayed in his vehicle like a good maniac his life, and Mr. Martin's, would not have been ruined.

 

Was the request as we've heard it a lawful order? No. Did he ignore the request? We thought maybe he did but now we're not so sure. Did he have a right as a resident to be in the common area on private property? Absolutely. Was he lawfully carrying a concealed firearm? Yep. Was the kid shot in "self defense"? TBD. Is that "MURDER"? TBD. If GZ had stayed in his car would this entire incident been averted? Perhaps, but we'll never really know.

 

You could also argue that had the kid not gotten into trouble at school (again) for possession on a container with MJ residue that he would not have even been in that neighborhood that night. You could also argue had his parent been responsible enough to not have let him walk to the store alone in an unfamiliar place in the dark and in the rain that maybe this would not have happened. You could also argue that Martin may have responded physically, as the new evidence suggests, and might still be alive if he hadn't. These are not facts, these are assumptions, just like your assumption that this was murder.

 

I'm fine with sticking to the facts... so let's stop making them up as we go.

 

I've not taken a hardline position on this case. I could see both sides feeling justified, and maybe they both were, or maybe not.