Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

[sirrowan]

 

Is that like saying you are old and I'm young?

 

No it is just saying I have more experience in how things are done now as opposed to in the 70s. Mind you it wasn't exactly yesterday - it was over 10 years ago.

 

But yes, I know a great many of you don't like to think that anyone under 30 can have anything to contribute to a conversation.

 

 

Just step on their oxygen tube for a few seconds, they'll shape up.

Uhhhh I'm not THAT old. It just sounded funny to me. And I've known everything since I was about 5 years old!

[Bad Doctor Frost]

 

Is that like saying you are old and I'm young?

 

No it is just saying I have more experience in how things are done now as opposed to in the 70s. Mind you it wasn't exactly yesterday - it was over 10 years ago.

 

But yes, I know a great many of you don't like to think that anyone under 30 can have anything to contribute to a conversation.

 

 

:rofl:

 

Just step on their oxygen tube for a few seconds, they'll shape up.

Uhhhh I'm not THAT old. It just sounded funny to me. And I've known everything since I was about 5 years old!

[beli]

I graduated in '05, and my high school didn't really care much about attendance so long as you weren't causing trouble or failing. We had open campus, didn't have to check in/out, etc. We were treated as adults and not like children that had to be babysat (unless, of course, you acted like a child who needed to be babysat). Of course there were those...but they were usually weeded out and sent to the "alternative" school after a while.

Wow didn't know they still had those types of schools. We closed the last "open" school we had years ago back in the 80's I think. The school still exists but as a traditional school. Even tho you don't they didn't care about attendance they did. Every school has to have some kind of attendance and adhere to it or loose federal/state funding.

[angeleyeskkhr]

 

Is that like saying you are old and I'm young?

 

No it is just saying I have more experience in how things are done now as opposed to in the 70s. Mind you it wasn't exactly yesterday - it was over 10 years ago.

 

But yes, I know a great many of you don't like to think that anyone under 30 can have anything to contribute to a conversation.

 

Well speaking as a parent of a child currently in the school system here in Texas, I can say that our vacation was considered "urn excused" (but they still allowed her to submit the homework and make up the tests). But they have considered all other missed days excused (so long as I wrote a nite detailing the illness).

 

I was told by office staff that any illness/doctor's appointment would be considered excused no matter how many unexcused she had (with her vacation, she came close to the 9/10 day limit).

 

However, my friend's son (different school and different ISD? They kept getting truancy letters, despite providing all medical documentation. They never did get sent to truancy court, but they did get threatened with it and told it was standard. And to ignore the letter.

 

So basically in my area it's a crap shoot and depend on the school/isd.

[angeleyeskkhr]

Gosh darn auto correct and inability to edit posts on tapatalk. Just pretend y'all understood what I said.

[cljohnr]

Truancy doesn't apply after 16 here. I believe they also go after the parents, not the child.

[Nemeweh]

I swear to the great alien overlord. People just get dumber and more sheep-like by the day.

 

I'm sorry but if a 17 yr (pretty much ANY 17 yr old) works TWO jobs, and attends college level classes where he or she makes above a "C" average then that 17 yr old does not need to be reprimanded by a school, judge or even her parents. Even if they do occasionally fail to appear in a class. I do not give a jack or a isth about what the school board has deemed appropriate in regards to attendance. Those type of guidelines are for those who FAIL at school (and therefore life). This kid? The only thing she is failing at is staying healthy by getting enough sleep.

 

If you suggest otherwise then you are a moron. Seriously, don't breed, Mmkay? Save us all from from sharing your ignorance. Rules are for those too ignorant to figure out how to live their lives on their own. I can not for the life of me see how this girl, who supports herself and her siblings, needs to "be taught a lesson" on how she will need to behave in the "corporate world" by this judge punishing her for her attendance.

 

Trust me when I say when this girl makes it to the corporate world, she will be the Boss making the rules she will live by. People like her are the inventors and creators of this world and should be lauded for their every victory. Maybe what the judge should have done was forced her parents to pay for her upkeep, the way parents are pretty much legally (and morally) required to, that way the kid didn't have to work two-flippin jobs. The azzhat can not choke on his own vitriol fast enough for me.

 

 

Oh and regards to Texas, and it's education system... did you all happen to forget this is the same state that has re-written it's history books to leave out any type of actual facts, and currently disregards anything that holds any evidence of truth on topics like the Civil Rights movement and the Holocaust. So let's not pretend this is a Harvard-like state pertaining to educating it's children.

 

Ignorance begets ignorance.

[baby duck]

I swear to the great alien overlord. People just get dumber and more sheep-like by the day.

 

I'm sorry but if a 17 yr (pretty much ANY 17 yr old) works TWO jobs, and attends college level classes where he or she makes above a "C" average then that 17 yr old does not need to be reprimanded by a school, judge or even her parents. Even if they do occasionally fail to appear in a class. I do not give a jack or a isth about what the school board has deemed appropriate in regards to attendance. Those type of guidelines are for those who FAIL at school (and therefore life). This kid? The only thing she is failing at is staying healthy by getting enough sleep.

 

If you suggest otherwise then you are a moron. Seriously, don't breed, Mmkay? Save us all from from sharing your ignorance. Rules are for those too ignorant to figure out how to live their lives on their own. I can not for the life of me see how this girl, who supports herself and her siblings, needs to "be taught a lesson" on how she will need to behave in the "corporate world" by this judge punishing her for her attendance.

 

Trust me when I say when this girl makes it to the corporate world, she will be the Boss making the rules she will live by. People like her are the inventors and creators of this world and should be lauded for their every victory. Maybe what the judge should have done was forced her parents to pay for her upkeep, the way parents are pretty much legally (and morally) required to, that way the kid didn't have to work two-flippin jobs. The azzhat can not choke on his own vitriol fast enough for me.

 

 

Oh and regards to Texas, and it's education system... did you all happen to forget this is the same state that has re-written it's history books to leave out any type of actual facts, and currently disregards anything that holds any evidence of truth on topics like the Civil Rights movement and the Holocaust. So let's not pretend this is a Harvard-like state pertaining to educating it's children.

 

Ignorance begets ignorance.

 

 

 

The young lady being held for truancy has nothing to do with her local school board. People have screamed for years that educators aren't fair to their students and don't hold everyone to the same standards, so LAWS were put in place by the state legislature so that everyone would be treated fairly. And now that a judge has to make decisions that should be made by the local campus, people are still screaming, only now its that no one takes special circumstances into consideration.

 

And now the reason I quoted Nems: Have you sat in a Texas history classroom lately? The fussing over the history books is another tempest in a teapot. Teachers have to address the standard set forth in the TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills). We can use whatever we like to do so, the book is just one such tool, and often is supplemented from outside sources. You don't get your info from one source, do you?

 

The U.S. History TEKS regarding the Civil Rights movement:

 

(9) History. The student understands the impact of the American civil rights movement. The student is expected to:

 

(A) trace the historical development of the civil rights movement in the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries, including the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th amendments;

 

( describe the roles of political organizations that promoted civil rights, including ones from African American, Chicano, American Indian, women's, and other civil rights movements;

 

© identify the roles of significant leaders who supported various rights movements, including Martin Luther King Jr., Cesar Chavez, Rosa Parks, Hector P. Garcia, and Betty Friedan;

 

(D) compare and contrast the approach taken by some civil rights groups such as the Black Panthers with the nonviolent approach of Martin Luther King Jr.;

 

(E) discuss the impact of the writings of Martin Luther King Jr. such as his "I Have a Dream" speech and "Letter from Birmingham Jail" on the civil rights movement;

 

(F) describe presidential actions and congressional votes to address minority rights in the United States, including desegregation of the armed forces, the Civil Rights acts of 1957 and 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965;

 

(G) describe the role of individuals such as governors George Wallace, Orval Faubus, and Lester Maddox and groups, including the Congressional bloc of southern Democrats, that sought to maintain the status quo;

 

(H) evaluate changes and events in the United States that have resulted from the civil rights movement, including increased participation of minorities in the political process; and

 

(I) describe how litigation such as the landmark cases of Brown v. Board of Education, Mendez v. Westminster, Hernandez v. Texas, Delgado v. Bastrop I.S.D., Edgewood I.S.D. v. Kirby, and Sweatt v. Painter played a role in protecting the rights of the minority during the civil rights movement.

 

 

The TEKS in World History which covers WWII and the Holocaust:

 

(12) History. The student understands the causes and impact of World War II. The student is expected to:

 

(A) describe the emergence and characteristics of totalitarianism;

 

( explain the roles of various world leaders, including Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Hideki Tojo, Joseph Stalin, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill, prior to and during World War II; and

 

© explain the major causes and events of World War II, including the German invasions of Poland and the Soviet Union, the Holocaust, Japanese imperialism, the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Normandy landings, and the dropping of the atomic bombs.

 

 

 

I will say that I'm beginning to think that World History should be divided into two different courses. It does begin in 8000 BC for this course. That's a great deal of ground to cover and doesn't leave much time to cover everything in depth.

[baby duck]

I will add that that I don't think that Tran should have been dragged into court. This sort of thing should be left up to local control, but unfortunately that option doesn't exist.

[angeleyeskkhr]

I feel like I was just called ignorant because of my sub-par Texas education. I mean, I know my post was all garbled. But. Dang Nem, that was just harsh!

 

And I'll have you know, my classmate went to Harvard (I too was doing college courses at 17. And I got A's).

[Labyrinthine]

The laws exist so that no one receives special consideration. Oh how people screamed when there was no consistency in applying truancy regulations. Now that there are laws to enforce consistency people still scream.

 

I get that she was doing great in class. Awesome. My company has requirements for me to either 1. be in the office or 2. logged in remotely at least 40 hours a week unless I am taking personal time or vacation. I can get my job done in about 20. If I do not show up or log in and find work, I find myself out of work quickly. Same idea as this girl. Part of high school education is learning to follow the rules even if you don't always agree with them. She has failed this very basic lesson and now is facing the consequences.

 

If you think the law should change, fine. But the law was applied correctly as it stands.

[beli]

The laws exist so that no one receives special consideration. Oh how people screamed when there was no consistency in applying truancy regulations. Now that there are laws to enforce consistency people still scream.

 

I get that she was doing great in class. Awesome. My company has requirements for me to either 1. be in the office or 2. logged in remotely at least 40 hours a week unless I am taking personal time or vacation. I can get my job done in about 20. If I do not show up or log in and find work, I find myself out of work quickly. Same idea as this girl. Part of high school education is learning to follow the rules even if you don't always agree with them. She has failed this very basic lesson and now is facing the consequences.

 

If you think the law should change, fine. But the law was applied correctly as it stands.

If that is the case.. then I want to see what the judge has done in other cases where the student is not receiving straight A's or working two jobs etc. I bet he's done nothing or very little just by his own words "Want to be made an example of" or some such effect.

[Labyrinthine]

The laws exist so that no one receives special consideration. Oh how people screamed when there was no consistency in applying truancy regulations. Now that there are laws to enforce consistency people still scream.

 

I get that she was doing great in class. Awesome. My company has requirements for me to either 1. be in the office or 2. logged in remotely at least 40 hours a week unless I am taking personal time or vacation. I can get my job done in about 20. If I do not show up or log in and find work, I find myself out of work quickly. Same idea as this girl. Part of high school education is learning to follow the rules even if you don't always agree with them. She has failed this very basic lesson and now is facing the consequences.

 

If you think the law should change, fine. But the law was applied correctly as it stands.

If that is the case.. then I want to see what the judge has done in other cases where the student is not receiving straight A's or working two jobs etc. I bet he's done nothing or very little just by his own words "Want to be made an example of" or some such effect.

 

It is unlikely he has come across her exact situation since, admittedly, most truants are not straight A students.

 

But again, the law is in place to prevent special circumstances being treated differently. It is intended to limit prejudice in a highly prejudiced region in a highly prejudiced court system. I would think most people would support that.

[Nemeweh]

I swear to the great alien overlord. People just get dumber and more sheep-like by the day.

 

I'm sorry but if a 17 yr (pretty much ANY 17 yr old) works TWO jobs, and attends college level classes where he or she makes above a "C" average then that 17 yr old does not need to be reprimanded by a school, judge or even her parents. Even if they do occasionally fail to appear in a class. I do not give a jack or a isth about what the school board has deemed appropriate in regards to attendance. Those type of guidelines are for those who FAIL at school (and therefore life). This kid? The only thing she is failing at is staying healthy by getting enough sleep.

 

If you suggest otherwise then you are a moron. Seriously, don't breed, Mmkay? Save us all from from sharing your ignorance. Rules are for those too ignorant to figure out how to live their lives on their own. I can not for the life of me see how this girl, who supports herself and her siblings, needs to "be taught a lesson" on how she will need to behave in the "corporate world" by this judge punishing her for her attendance.

 

Trust me when I say when this girl makes it to the corporate world, she will be the Boss making the rules she will live by. People like her are the inventors and creators of this world and should be lauded for their every victory. Maybe what the judge should have done was forced her parents to pay for her upkeep, the way parents are pretty much legally (and morally) required to, that way the kid didn't have to work two-flippin jobs. The azzhat can not choke on his own vitriol fast enough for me.

 

 

Oh and regards to Texas, and it's education system... did you all happen to forget this is the same state that has re-written it's history books to leave out any type of actual facts, and currently disregards anything that holds any evidence of truth on topics like the Civil Rights movement and the Holocaust. So let's not pretend this is a Harvard-like state pertaining to educating it's children.

 

Ignorance begets ignorance.

 

 

 

The young lady being held for truancy has nothing to do with her local school board. People have screamed for years that educators aren't fair to their students and don't hold everyone to the same standards, so LAWS were put in place by the state legislature so that everyone would be treated fairly. And now that a judge has to make decisions that should be made by the local campus, people are still screaming, only now its that no one takes special circumstances into consideration.

 

And now the reason I quoted Nems: Have you sat in a Texas history classroom lately? The fussing over the history books is another tempest in a teapot. Teachers have to address the standard set forth in the TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills). We can use whatever we like to do so, the book is just one such tool, and often is supplemented from outside sources. You don't get your info from one source, do you?

 

The U.S. History TEKS regarding the Civil Rights movement:

 

(9) History. The student understands the impact of the American civil rights movement. The student is expected to:

 

(A) trace the historical development of the civil rights movement in the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries, including the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th amendments;

 

( describe the roles of political organizations that promoted civil rights, including ones from African American, Chicano, American Indian, women's, and other civil rights movements;

 

© identify the roles of significant leaders who supported various rights movements, including Martin Luther King Jr., Cesar Chavez, Rosa Parks, Hector P. Garcia, and Betty Friedan;

 

(D) compare and contrast the approach taken by some civil rights groups such as the Black Panthers with the nonviolent approach of Martin Luther King Jr.;

 

(E) discuss the impact of the writings of Martin Luther King Jr. such as his "I Have a Dream" speech and "Letter from Birmingham Jail" on the civil rights movement;

 

(F) describe presidential actions and congressional votes to address minority rights in the United States, including desegregation of the armed forces, the Civil Rights acts of 1957 and 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965;

 

(G) describe the role of individuals such as governors George Wallace, Orval Faubus, and Lester Maddox and groups, including the Congressional bloc of southern Democrats, that sought to maintain the status quo;

 

(H) evaluate changes and events in the United States that have resulted from the civil rights movement, including increased participation of minorities in the political process; and

 

(I) describe how litigation such as the landmark cases of Brown v. Board of Education, Mendez v. Westminster, Hernandez v. Texas, Delgado v. Bastrop I.S.D., Edgewood I.S.D. v. Kirby, and Sweatt v. Painter played a role in protecting the rights of the minority during the civil rights movement.

 

 

The TEKS in World History which covers WWII and the Holocaust:

 

(12) History. The student understands the causes and impact of World War II. The student is expected to:

 

(A) describe the emergence and characteristics of totalitarianism;

 

( explain the roles of various world leaders, including Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Hideki Tojo, Joseph Stalin, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill, prior to and during World War II; and

 

© explain the major causes and events of World War II, including the German invasions of Poland and the Soviet Union, the Holocaust, Japanese imperialism, the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Normandy landings, and the dropping of the atomic bombs.

 

 

 

I will say that I'm beginning to think that World History should be divided into two different courses. It does begin in 8000 BC for this course. That's a great deal of ground to cover and doesn't leave much time to cover everything in depth.

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/16/texas-schools-rewrites-us-history

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

 

 

All the rest are just derivatives of the same story. I'm sorry if I made you feel indignant, but if you live in Texas, you SHOULD feel indignant. There is a reason I packed my isht and move out of state. They are literally white-washing history there. Not that isn't done pretty much everywhere in the world, but the only modern comparison I can make is when Hillary Clinton was photoshopped out of the picture by Islamic run news agencies when Bin Laden was killed.

 

It's DUMB. Not being able to make a decision as a JUDGE who's job it is to make these type of decisions on a case by case basis, means he is too stupid to do his job.

 

There is no "One law fits all" and that's the entire reason we have judges in the first place. To decide when cases fit the law and when there are special exceptions.

 

 

Angel - Don't feel that way. You forget My family hails from Mississippi of all states. The worst, ever. In fact, do you know what they say in South Carolina? "Thank God for Mississippi!" (because they'd then be 50th of 50 states in pretty much every single category).

[mdw2006]

It is too bad the school couldn't have done a 504 plan, esp having no family here and working two jobs.

 

Although dd's 504 went to crap (I don't blame the plan I blame the school, I should have fought harder but I was just done, so done).

 

I think there is certain circumstances that should be carefully looked at in some cases.

[Nemeweh]

This story has hit the major TV news media outlets this morning.

[orangecrush]

Community Comes to Aid of Jailed Texas Honor Student

 

 

http://gma.yahoo.com/community-comes-aid-jailed-texas-honor-student-063549542--abc-news-topstories.html

 

 

 

A 17-year-old Texas honors student who was jailed for missing too much school because she had to work two jobs to support her siblings, refused to accept the more than $100,000 a website raised for her.

"We saw her trying to work and trying to go to school and trying to do all these things and then to have the judge put her in jail for missing school just seemed a little harsh," said Paul Dietzel, who helped raise the money for Diane Tran. HelpDianeTran.com is a project of the Louisiana Children's Education Alliance.

But Tran didn't want the money: "There's some other kid out there struggling more ... than me," she said.

 

 

Tran's attorney, Brian Wice, told ABC News that he met with the Moriarty and convinced him to reverse his decision and drop the contempt charge, hoping to clear Tran's record.

[giraffy]

See, I see it this way. Yes, she's a student and has to be there. But, she's an AP honor student. Clearly attendance isn't affecting her any. I fail see the issue. Now, if she were failing because of her attendance...yeah. She has problems. But, IMO, even with her crappy family life, she's doing well. If she weren't doing well, she wouldn't be an honor student. When she gets to college, it doesn't matter if she attends class or not, if she's pulling As she's doing her job. <snip> When I was in high school, I'd always laugh at teachers who said "you won't get away with this in college!" ...really?

 

 

Judge is looney.

Um. I kind of agree with this. That kid has things rough. Her parents suck.

 

 

Same with when she gets into the workforce. If she's getting her work done, who cares how much time she's there.

Um, no. I bet the people I've fired for coming in late too many times and calling in too often don't agree with your assessment.

[Bad Doctor Frost]

See, I see it this way. Yes, she's a student and has to be there. But, she's an AP honor student. Clearly attendance isn't affecting her any. I fail see the issue. Now, if she were failing because of her attendance...yeah. She has problems. But, IMO, even with her crappy family life, she's doing well. If she weren't doing well, she wouldn't be an honor student. When she gets to college, it doesn't matter if she attends class or not, if she's pulling As she's doing her job. <snip> When I was in high school, I'd always laugh at teachers who said "you won't get away with this in college!" ...really?

 

 

Judge is looney.

Um. I kind of agree with this. That kid has things rough. Her parents suck.

 

 

Same with when she gets into the workforce. If she's getting her work done, who cares how much time she's there.

Um, no. I bet the people I've fired for coming in late too many times and calling in too often don't agree with your assessment.

 

 

I'm glad you're not my boss. I'm home right now. Because I got my isht done. I don't care if you come in late, as long as you get all your work done. Now, come in late and then leave on time without getting much done? We have problems. Coming and going as you please and getting stuff done? I don't care. Have at it. I just won't put up with people who are always late, leave before they're done with their work, and then complain because no one will help them when they want to leave early some day. Uh..really? No.

[giraffy]

I'm glad you're not my boss. I'm home right now. Because I got my isht done. I don't care if you come in late, as long as you get all your work done. Now, come in late and then leave on time without getting much done? We have problems. Coming and going as you please and getting stuff done? I don't care. Have at it. I just won't put up with people who are always late, leave before they're done with their work, and then complain because no one will help them when they want to leave early some day. Uh..really? No.

It's cute that you think that way.

 

In theory, I don't disagree. In practice, it's not feasible for all companies and all positions.

[Bad Doctor Frost]

I'm glad you're not my boss. I'm home right now. Because I got my isht done. I don't care if you come in late, as long as you get all your work done. Now, come in late and then leave on time without getting much done? We have problems. Coming and going as you please and getting stuff done? I don't care. Have at it. I just won't put up with people who are always late, leave before they're done with their work, and then complain because no one will help them when they want to leave early some day. Uh..really? No.

It's cute that you think that way.

 

In theory, I don't disagree. In practice, it's not feasible for all companies and all positions.

 

 

For all positions? No. For me? Yes. I didn't choose this field for the glory. I chose for the hours

 

 

 

I had a giraffy moment last week. I told someone to stop asking stupid questions. I couldn't help it.

[giraffy]

I had a giraffy moment last week. I told someone to stop asking stupid questions. I couldn't help it.

Whatever. Sometimes that isht is justified.

[cashnocredit]

For all positions? No. For me? Yes. I didn't choose this field for the glory. I chose for the hours

 

Yep. Had jobs like that my entire career. It's pretty easy to do in some fields and especially EE/programming. The downside is that I typically worked 60-70 hours/wk with just a straight salary. Everything has tradeoffs.

[Nemeweh]

Community Comes to Aid of Jailed Texas Honor Student

 

 

http://gma.yahoo.com/community-comes-aid-jailed-texas-honor-student-063549542--abc-news-topstories.html

 

 

 

A 17-year-old Texas honors student who was jailed for missing too much school because she had to work two jobs to support her siblings, refused to accept the more than $100,000 a website raised for her.

"We saw her trying to work and trying to go to school and trying to do all these things and then to have the judge put her in jail for missing school just seemed a little harsh," said Paul Dietzel, who helped raise the money for Diane Tran. HelpDianeTran.com is a project of the Louisiana Children's Education Alliance.

But Tran didn't want the money: "There's some other kid out there struggling more ... than me," she said.

 

 

Tran's attorney, Brian Wice, told ABC News that he met with the Moriarty and convinced him to reverse his decision and drop the contempt charge, hoping to clear Tran's record.

 

 

 

Good. Justice has been done.