JoePa

[jph5125]

i think its ridiculous how much attention is being put on Paterno. I was talking to some people at work and they actually thought that he was the one who did the crime from how they heard the media spin it.

He did not witness the crime nor do we know what the witness communicated to Paterno. Plus he reported it to a superior that the proper authority to investigate the claims.

+1

 

He reported it to his superiors and campus police. Yes campus police are not police, but they are responsible for investigating incidents such as these and passing it onto the local police.

Could he have done more? Yes he could have.

Did he rape innocent children? No

Did he witness the crime? No

 

As for why students are upset and rioting: if you haven't figured it out yet Joe Paterno made Penn State what it is. Yes he is a decorated coach with 400 wins and 60 years of experience. But that is just part of the story. He has donated millions to PSU. His funds have gone towards the Paterno Library, the spiritual center on campus, and into the Paterno Fellows program which gives scholarships to up and coming students. I went to PSU and I don't like football, but it's impossible to go there and not see what this man has done off the field. Students know what he has done for the university but then they see this media demonizing taking place which resulted with Paterno being fired. All people are talking about is Joe Paterno, mixing facts and fiction then applying it to the Penn State community as if everyone is a child molester.

 

Few people are actually talking about Sandusky, who was just seen around town today. Where is the media on him? Why aren't they following him around? -- Because he's a nobody

Joe Paterno has a distinguished career and legacy to one of the largest universities in America and the world. <= That makes for good news and that is what is making Alum angry

[giraffy]

 

I'm slow, and don't pay attention to the news usually, so I just caught up on this mess.

 

HowTF is that dude not as responsible for this as anyone else? He knew what was happening, and allowed it to continue. Disgusting. I don't care WHO he is. He coaches a good team, that means it's cool to ignore abuse that's happening on his watch? BS.

[jph5125]

HowTF is that dude not as responsible for this as anyone else?

 

How is he more responsible than the person who committed the crime? If you watch the news no one cares about Sandusky who actually committed the crime. The media is choosing to demonize this man more than actual perpetrator.

 

Yes he has blame to bear, but he is receiving more blame than others who deserve it.

[blackberry74]

They're all responsible. They did nothing to prevent the rape & sexual abuse of boys over a period of several years. He wouldn't have to worry about any of this had he done the right thing all those years ago.

[orangecrush]

 

 

Yes he has blame to bear, but he is receiving more blame than others who deserve it.

 

 

He isn't facing jail time, so he is not receiving more blame than Sandusky.

[beli]

HowTF is that dude not as responsible for this as anyone else?

 

How is he more responsible than the person who committed the crime? If you watch the news no one cares about Sandusky who actually committed the crime. The media is choosing to demonize this man more than actual perpetrator.

 

Yes he has blame to bear, but he is receiving more blame than others who deserve it.

The reason is because of his position and (From what I read) what he is to the Unv. That's why he's getting the media attention he is. Should the others get as much as if not more? Of course but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

The trustees did say there may be more changes to come I think I heard one news cast say. I honestly don't see how the guy who actually witnessed it survives. he should've been let go with everyone else.. and maybe he will be after the season I dunno.

[jph5125]

The reason is because of his position and (From what I read) what he is to the Unv. That's why he's getting the media attention he is. Should the others get as much as if not more? Of course but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

I stated that above in my original post

 

 

Yes he has blame to bear, but he is receiving more blame than others who deserve it.

He isn't facing jail time, so he is not receiving more blame than Sandusky.

 

I am referring to the blame the uninformed public and media are projecting.

Edited November 11, 2011 by jph5125

[giraffy]

HowTF is that dude not as responsible for this as anyone else?

 

How is he more responsible than the person who committed the crime? If you watch the news no one cares about Sandusky who actually committed the crime. The media is choosing to demonize this man more than actual perpetrator.

 

Yes he has blame to bear, but he is receiving more blame than others who deserve it.

You're being silly. I specifically said he is AS responsible. Not more. You said that.

 

I don't watch the news, I don't know what the "media" is saying. I'M saying, he's disgusting for not taking action, and anyone defending that is a creep.

 

[jph5125]

HowTF is that dude not as responsible for this as anyone else?

 

How is he more responsible than the person who committed the crime? If you watch the news no one cares about Sandusky who actually committed the crime. The media is choosing to demonize this man more than actual perpetrator.

 

Yes he has blame to bear, but he is receiving more blame than others who deserve it.

You're being silly. I specifically said he is AS responsible. Not more. You said that.

 

I don't watch the news, I don't know what the "media" is saying. I'M saying, he's disgusting for not taking action, and anyone defending that is a creep.

 

 

I'm can see how you arrived at that and I am sorry. I was not saying that you said he was "more" responsible. I was pointing out that everyone is treating the situation like he did the crime and not talking about the actual perpetrator.

 

You say you don't watch the news and don't know what the media is saying. After admitting this you condemn the man and people who defend him? To me that seems a little silly.

 

And in my above post I stated what actions he took. He could have taken more, but he certainly didn't did nothing like the media claims.

[orangecrush]

 

I'm can see how you arrived at that and I am sorry. I was not saying that you said he was "more" responsible. I was pointing out that everyone is treating the situation like he did the crime and not talking about the actual perpetrator.

 

You say you don't watch the news and don't know what the media is saying. After admitting this you condemn the man and people who defend him? To me that seems a little silly.

 

And in my above post I stated what actions he took. He could have taken more, but he certainly didn't did nothing like the media claims.

 

 

You are quite the grumpy little bird.

 

From what I read, he did everything the media claims he did. The stories that I have read review what he knew, when he knew it and what actions he took. I have yet to see a story that accused him of actually molesting the boys. They are on his flowers for what he (not Sandusky) did, which is next to nothing...

[dang]

If anyone can read that grand jury report and still want to defend anyone in it...yea, I'm gonna guess that they have issues. Just like the salamander students rioting.

[jph5125]

 

I'm can see how you arrived at that and I am sorry. I was not saying that you said he was "more" responsible. I was pointing out that everyone is treating the situation like he did the crime and not talking about the actual perpetrator.

 

You say you don't watch the news and don't know what the media is saying. After admitting this you condemn the man and people who defend him? To me that seems a little silly.

 

And in my above post I stated what actions he took. He could have taken more, but he certainly didn't did nothing like the media claims.

 

 

You are quite the grumpy little bird.

 

From what I read, he did everything the media claims he did. The stories that I have read review what he knew, when he knew it and what actions he took. I have yet to see a story that accused him of actually molesting the boys. They are on his flowers for what he (not Sandusky) did, which is next to nothing...

Just to clarify, I meant nothing as "not doing anything/inaction" in response to giraffy who said Paterno took no action. I was not stating in that sentence that the media is lying about the situation. I think the extreme media coverage is blowing everything out of context and causing confusion that leads to people believing Joe did the crime as eonaxes (his post is on pg1 of this threat) experienced first hand. I believe he could have done more, but I certainly don't believe he did absolutely nothing.

 

I graduated from PSU and honestly feel bad for the man and the damage this has done to the school. I currently go to graduate school at Indiana University (another Big10) and had to hear all kinds of comments all day including "people from Pennsylvania are pedophiles." I'm originally from PA as well and it's upsetting to hear such things even though people might be jesting.

 

Don't get me wrong, what happened to the kids is horrible and Sandusky deserves to get what is coming. It's just a shame when you feel like 4 years of work and experience at a school like PSU was for nothing. I don't think the student riots were called for and they hurt the image of a PSU student. Now when I go to job interviews and people see PSU on my resume, people won't talk about how great PSU football is, it will all be about a pedophile or how unruly the students are. Granted that last comment sounds little extreme, but if you're going for employment in PA people notice PSU on a resume and like to talk about the school and football during an interview (it was a great ice breaker ). I spent $80k on in-state tuition, and now I it feels like I have a devalued product that people are going to associate me with.

 

That's why I am a grumpy little bird. I hope my posts did not offend anyone, I did not feel offended by anyone's posts. I originally just wanted to expand on eonaxes' post and then I couldn't stop replying.

Edited November 11, 2011 by jph5125

[blackberry74]

You feel bad for Joe Paterno and the school. Wow.

[jph5125]

You feel bad for Joe Paterno and the school. Wow.

 

I stated I feel bad for the kids as well. Of course they should come first. Please do not think I condone child rape/molestation.

[orangecrush]

 

 

That's why I am a grumpy little bird. I hope my posts did not offend anyone, I did not feel offended by anyone's posts. I originally just wanted to expand on eonaxes' post and then I couldn't stop replying.

 

 

It will take quite a bit more than a grumpy little bird, to offend the vicious hens around here.

[Doodah]

 

 

That's why I am a grumpy little bird. I hope my posts did not offend anyone, I did not feel offended by anyone's posts. I originally just wanted to expand on eonaxes' post and then I couldn't stop replying.

 

It will take quite a bit more than a grumpy little bird, to offend the vicious hens around here.

4REAL...

 

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2011 by Doodah

[beli]

What angers and sickens me is the person who actually WITNESSED it happening. Yes you might be feeling shock, but then your next emotion should have been anger and actually TRIED stopping it. WTF is he still there for?

[Labyrinthine]

You feel bad for Joe Paterno and the school. Wow.

 

I stated I feel bad for the kids as well. Of course they should come first. Please do not think I condone child rape/molestation.

 

You...feel bad for the kids as well?

 

I don't feel bad for JoePa. I don't feel bad for anyone who knew what was happening and did any less than report it over and over to higher and higher authorities until that child raper had his flowers thrown in prison where he can learn what it feels like to be violated.

 

JoePa and everyone else deserve no less than the shame they are receiving. They are disgusting.

 

Oh and those students rioting? Stay classy. You are rioting over a man who was fired for doing not enough to stop little kids from being raped? Really? This is who you want to stand behind?

[Doodah]

In other words -- If True -- I didn't know anything. Once informed of something, I did the minimum: I kicked it up the chain, looked away and chose never to think of it again.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Doodah

[jph5125]

You feel bad for Joe Paterno and the school. Wow.

 

I stated I feel bad for the kids as well. Of course they should come first. Please do not think I condone child rape/molestation.

 

You...feel bad for the kids as well?

 

I don't feel bad for JoePa. I don't feel bad for anyone who knew what was happening and did any less than report it over and over to higher and higher authorities until that child raper had his flowers thrown in prison where he can learn what it feels like to be violated.

 

JoePa and everyone else deserve no less than the shame they are receiving. They are disgusting.

 

Oh and those students rioting? Stay classy. You are rioting over a man who was fired for doing not enough to stop little kids from being raped? Really? This is who you want to stand behind?

 

If you read the quoted post you would see why I put as well (the previous poster was implying I only felt bad for the school and Paterno). I did not intend it to sound like they come last, WHICH is why I wrote they come FIRST in the very next sentence.

 

I do not condone the student rioting as I stated above. It's reflecting poorly on the PSU community.

[dawniedawn67]

I graduated from PSU and honestly feel bad for the man and the damage this has done to the school. I currently go to graduate school at Indiana University (another Big10) and had to hear all kinds of comments all day including "people from Pennsylvania are pedophiles." I'm originally from PA as well and it's upsetting to hear such things even though people might be jesting.

 

Ummmm.....as someone who currently resides in Pittsburgh, where all news outlets have pretty much converted to providing minute-by-minute updates of the situation, I can assure you that not once has it been mentioned that we are now all under suspicion of being pedophiles.

[Doodah]

.... I thought the pedophile state was Florida.

[jph5125]

I graduated from PSU and honestly feel bad for the man and the damage this has done to the school. I currently go to graduate school at Indiana University (another Big10) and had to hear all kinds of comments all day including "people from Pennsylvania are pedophiles." I'm originally from PA as well and it's upsetting to hear such things even though people might be jesting.

 

Ummmm.....as someone who currently resides in Pittsburgh, where all news outlets have pretty much converted to providing minute-by-minute updates of the situation, I can assure you that not once has it been mentioned that we are now all under suspicion of being pedophiles.

 

I am from Pittsburgh as well. The comment I posted was something someone here at Indiana University (not to be confused with IUP) said. It's a Big 10 school so I suppose people are likely to beat on PSU. The student who said it was most likely joking, but it's not something you want to hear given the situation. I also expected graduate students to be a little more mature, but I guess not. I have heard many other comments, but that one really upset me.

[Islandgal]

Anyone that walks in on a grown man sodomizing a 10yr child, and fails to do anything about it, loses the right to call themselves a human being...

[Nostromo]

The allegations against surrounding this story are sick and incomprehensible. I don't understand how ANY human being can molest anyone, let alone a child. That said, I won't condemn Joe Pa at this point.

 

Did he actually WITNESS a crime? No.

 

After hearing about an alleged crime, did he report it to a supervisor? Yes.

 

How much he actually learned after his initial reporting of the alleged crimes, and how much investigating those around him made regarding the incidents, is still unfolding. That said, I'm more concerned with why the graduate student who witness the alleged incident, didn't go to police. Was that partially the fault of University Police for not following up, or the solely in the hands of the graduate student?

Edited November 11, 2011 by Nostromo