Firemen ignore burning house over unpaid fee

[Jen23514]

 

Oh you dipshit, do you have no idea how county and city administration works?

 

He doesn't know the difference between income taxes and sales taxes. I am guessing that was a rhetorical question.

 

I tried explaining it a few pages back to him LOL. Glad to see I logged on almost a week later to see the epic obtuseness has not subsided. I think it was Dale Carnegie that said if you're going to do something, do it well. Glad to see those lessons are being taken to heart here.

Edited October 7, 2010 by Jen23514

[hlburi]

What's the address of this guy's home? Is it 12345 X Street, South Fulton, TN XX345? 'Cause, to me, if the home has the town's address...that would be in it's service district. I fully understand the situation, I'm just amazed at how, in the year 2010, it's that backwoods. Also pretty amazed at the "that's not my job" mentality.

 

 

See, people who have a POV will just make up their own facts, and proceed on that basis. Never mind what the actual facts are.

 

I just have to stay out of here. Y'all are crazy. You have fun being crazy. That's just crazy. Next time you see me in here, chase me out, please.

 

Oh, and a fire department that charges a fee is not a for-profit.

 

Help, I can't stop answering. This is crazy.

 

 

STOP!_!! You guys are gonna drive Breeze to drink

 

Edited October 7, 2010 by hlburi

[breeze]

You know the standard joke about the guy that had to stay up all night because someone on the internet was wrong.

[blackberry74]

 

[hlburi]

When I get home I have a diff pic from bb's about online fights that I will post. Lol

[Echo_X]

It is simply incredible how those who are so quick to condemn the fire fighters don't address the pointed questions I have directed at them. I would like to at least hear of the wonderful examples of how these judgemental folks have put their neck on the line to aid their fellow neighbor. Or even easier, how much volunteerism these people have done in their life.

 

I am part of the fire/EMS community and can't fault any of these fire fighters for the decisions they've made. I may have personal opinions of this but I won't go so far as to say they should rot in hell like many of you paper humanitarians have. Also, the most vocal ones blaming the fire fighters for this show more and more of your stupidity and ignorance as you continue to post away. There is one thing they teach you in the academy....it is not to put yourself in any unnecessary harm as there's no point in making yourself a victim. I have done this on some calls where the scene I arrived at was not secure. I have told my crew not to get out of the ambulance until police response was there and we were told the scene is secure. So I want to know how many of you prophets who can walk on water would condemn me for my actions if the victim's condition may have worsened due to my orders for my crew to wait?

 

BFW, I respect your views as your opinions are not so outlandish as to burn the firefighters at the stake. BTW, regardless of whether the responding station is volunteer or career staffed, the obligation/requirement to respond to every call is there. I have never been in a jurisdiction where a volunteer station had an option to respond or not. But let me provide a couple of possible explanations for the spotty service. First, if you're in a rural or less urban area, the volunteer members typically are not required to stay at the station or with their unit when on duty. Many times there isn't even set staffing for any possible duty shifts which may or may not exist. This is why in many situations like this there is a station siren which when it goes off, any available members would respond to the station to roll the units out. Those that are not in ear shot of the station siren will carry scanners or radios which they can here the dispatch of the call go out. It is not uncommon for response times to be greater than 15 minutes. The second explanation is that there may not be enough volunteers qualified for the various positions required to man an ambulance, engine, squad truck, what have you. At my station, we've had situations where we almost couldn't roll a unit out because we didn't have a driver.

 

That is exactly what we have. The fire station we have is small; I think there is only one big fire truck and a couple of smaller pick up fire trucks and what have you. The station is about 2 miles away but wow, when that siren goes off it might as well be in your back yard; it's loud! It's located directly across from the post office and god help you if you're at the post office at noon because it goes off every day at noon for some reason. We don't have the siren go off for an emergency all that often and if it does, the town is all abuzz about it the next day talking about it at the post office or local store. Everyone knows everybody around here; the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

As for the firefighters, since this was a mobile home (didn't know that at first) there really is no point in saving a mobile home anyway once it's caught fire. I would think it wouldn't take much to be a total loss so in effect the guy is probably going to get an upgrade in homes very soon. Maybe this time he's learned his lesson and will pay the $75 fee from now on.

 

Bull. I here by cite a slightly more important document then the fire fighter code of EF-ITs. Lets see...what was that document? THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! (it is kinda a long article to copypasta so i will skip to the meat)

 

Fifth Amendment: No person shall be compelled *in any criminal case* to bare witness against himself, nor be deprived of LIFE, LIBERTY, or PROPERTY without due process; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

Demanding PROTECTION money up front is a bullying mob tactic and anyone who says otherwise needs to grab a crowbar and dig their head out of their own @$$ before they suffocate to death on their own farts and ****. Officer apathy is not due process. Due process is if the fire fighters had showed up, extinguished the fire, sent them a bill, and then put a lean on their farm if they didn't pay it.

 

The fire was isolated when the fire department arrived, they had to sit on their backsides and wait for the fire to reach the house. In total the amount of city money wasted paying these guys to just stand around and gawk for several hours is more then what it would have cost them to spend ten minutes spraying with a fire hose.

 

The question is, in this country, is always "What serves the greater good of the whole". Is the greater good served to allow a small fire to grow out of control just to bully other home owners into paying your protection racket? NO! especially because GUESS WHAT! A NEIGHBORING FARMER LOST CROPS THANKS TO THEIR RECKLESSNESS! The public good was not served.

 

IT IS A SHAME, A SHAME! THE GENTLEMEN ARE WRONG! THE GENTLEMEN ARE CORRECT IN SITTING!

[hlburi]

[giraffy]

Somebody ought tell Progressive and Geico they have no constitutional right to collect INSURANCE payments.

 

Awful, greedy bastards.

 

Edited October 7, 2010 by giraffy

[hlburi]

Are you practicing to audition for some new drama or something?

[dawniedawn67]

Are you practicing to audition for some new drama or something?

 

 

I lost the first 10 minutes of my lunch hour because I popped in here just to see what was "new"!

[Bad Doctor Frost]

Hmm. No.

[Tigz]

The Firefighter Code of Ethics

 

I will at all times, respect the property and rights of all men and women, the laws of my community and my country, and the chosen way of life of my fellow citizens.

 

 

They were doing just that. City says no fire protection if you haven't paid and the guy didn't pay. I've been a volunter since 1997 and I and many other firefighters in this country agree with the FD. Had there been someone in the mobile home they would have tried to save them as protection of life is first, including your own. Once again, it was a mobile home (not sure if it was a single wide or doublewide) but a single wide, 14 x 70 can be fully invloved in 7-9 miuntes from time of ignition. Even if the FD had been there with in 5 minutes over 90% of the mobile home would have been gone anyways.

 

No firefighter, including myself is going to go into a fully involved residence to save pets or property, especially in a fully invloved mobile home. Human life is different, but everyone was out and there was no danger to human life.

 

The fact has already been established that they will serve a 5 mile radius outside the city limits. (albeit pay to spray), so it is, in fact, their community and within their jurisdiction. (and how strange is it that they will cross state lines to fight a fire, but won't cross the city line in their own community)

 

From my understanding, the home was not on fire when they arrived, and they had been there for a while before the home caught fire. They also allowed a brush/field fire to burn unchecked....it could have easily become an uncontainable forest fire. The did not act until they allowed the fire to damage the neighbors property.

 

As for the pets.....they should have been taken out by the owners long before they were in danger.

 

Their actions were unprofessional and put an entire community and surrounding lands at risk.

 

I am trying to figure out how these firefighters can look kids in the eye while they are making the rounds about fire safety this month. (considering this is Fire Prevention Month....how ironic is that?)

[giraffy]

 

Their actions were unprofessional and put an entire community and surrounding lands at risk.

 

No, they didn't. They went out and protected the surrounding areas, as was required of them.

[Snork Maiden]

*dramatics and incoherent babble*

 

Demanding PROTECTION money up front is a bullying mob tactic and anyone who says otherwise needs to grab a crowbar and dig their head out of their own @$$ before they suffocate to death on their own farts and ****.

 

The fire was isolated when the fire department arrived, they had to sit on their backsides and wait for the fire to reach the house. In total the amount of city money wasted paying these guys to just stand around and gawk for several hours is more then what it would have cost them to spend ten minutes spraying with a fire hose.

 

*more dramatics and senseless babble*

GUESS WHAT! A NEIGHBORING FARMER LOST CROPS THANKS TO THEIR RECKLESSNESS! The public good was not served.

 

 

 

1. Can you please apply that crowbar to your own butt stuck head.

 

2. Can you cite your babble. Can you please provide sources when you say that they sat on their marigolds for hours. Cause, I'm sure you weren't there. And I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about, but I'll give a chance to right yourself.

 

3. Please provide same for the crop loss. I read the interview with the owner, a portion of which I've posted, where he says that a)all the fire outside his property was put out

and b ) he was surrounded by harvested corn fields, and the only thing out there was a tractor, but they had the fire out, like i said, all around him.

 

Go.

[Bad Doctor Frost]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

[brazen]

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

[giraffy]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

If they were lazy, I bet they wouldn't put out the surrounding fire that the dumbass caused.

 

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

Did you just warn Pam?!?! :rofl:

[brazen]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

If they were lazy, I bet they wouldn't put out the surrounding fire that the dumbass caused.

 

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

Did you just warn Pam?!?! :rofl:

You think I am that crazy, hells no.

[giraffy]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

If they were lazy, I bet they wouldn't put out the surrounding fire that the dumbass caused.

 

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

Did you just warn Pam?!?! :rofl:

You think I am that crazy, hells no.

I dare you!! :rofl:

[Bad Doctor Frost]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

If they were lazy, I bet they wouldn't put out the surrounding fire that the dumbass caused.

 

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

Did you just warn Pam?!?! :rofl:

 

She is the only person who resorted to directly calling someone a name

[giraffy]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

If they were lazy, I bet they wouldn't put out the surrounding fire that the dumbass caused.

 

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

Did you just warn Pam?!?! :rofl:

 

She is the only person who resorted to directly calling someone a name

 

Oh, please.

 

If you ARE acting obtuse and stupid.... is it really calling a name, or just an observation?

[brazen]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

If they were lazy, I bet they wouldn't put out the surrounding fire that the dumbass caused.

 

Lets not debase this thread with personal attacks please. Last warning.

Did you just warn Pam?!?! :rofl:

 

She is the only person who resorted to directly calling someone a name

Maybe so but she owns the board, and I wasn't talking about her, however there have been several indirect insults from others, and some posts border on politics. You got a problem with it?

[Snork Maiden]

You'll never convince me that they weren't just lazy buffoons. I've read the Code of Ethics, and I've read what the IAFF has said. Call me wrong, but then I'll just call you a slack-jawed derp. Only America can you go against the code of Ethics for your profession and be praised for it.

 

I wasn't even talking to you. Don't you have a job now? It offends me that you have internet access during the day.

 

And, how much time have you spent outside of America? I thought so. Pipe down, and let ME tell you - .. only in America can you not pay for a service, still expect that service, and mouse and moan about not getting that service, and get a bunch of people on your side. True story.

[Jen23514]

Seems that this to you is mostly the fault of the firefighters?

 

It is quite simple actually, the homeowner did not pay the required fee. If I do not pay my water bill, why would I get angry when I can't shower?

 

The blame here is totally misdirected.Perhaps the homeowner should have done more preblaze thinking.

 

um, I just agreed with Hinkle.

[giraffy]

Seems that this to you is mostly the fault of the firefighters?

 

It is quite simple actually, the homeowner did not pay the required fee. If I do not pay my water bill, why would I get angry when I can't shower?

 

The blame here is totally misdirected.Perhaps the homeowner should have done more preblaze thinking.

 

um, I just agreed with Hinkle.

I know... it's a little disconcerting.