Toddler Tantrum gets family booted from plane

[Islandgal]

 

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/toddler-tantrum-gets-family-booted-jetblue-flight-flying-184600037.html

 

 

We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on. And I said, 'We have them seated. Can we go now?" Colette, a pediatrician, told Rhode Island's NBC 10. "[The flight attendant] said the pilot's made a decision to turn the plane around."

 

Things got worse from there, according to the New England-based mom. The plane turned around on the tarmac and promptly booted the family of four from the flight.

 

A representative for JetBlue backed the pilot's decision, stating the flight had "customers that did not comply with crew-member instructions for a prolonged time period. The captain elected to remove the customers involved for the safety of all customers and crew-members on board."

 

Scrambling to find four seats on another Turks and Caicos flight bound for Boston, the Vieau family were forced to spent $2000 on overnight accommodations. Needless to say, their vacation ended on a bad note, but rules are rules.

Edited March 10, 2012 by Islandgal

[giraffy]

Oh well. Control your kid.

[orangecrush]

I was going to post that story earlier, but I knew you would do it. Seriously.

[Bad Doctor Frost]

Oh well. Control your kid.

 

This.

[SplashMom]

Oh well. Control your kid.

BINGO!

[LogicalNoMore]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

My son who YEARS ago had fear of flying....the doctors had to render a prescript to aide when it was necesary to travel cross country. To this day He cares not to fly....Be they adult or children it best to broach it PRIOR to that moment and work from there. I am in the minority in parenting 101 when it comes to children...I neither "handle" them in a harmful way or Tie them down to get them to abide. Somehow the tone, and way of enforcing proper manners can allow them assurance that as a parent they are their to protect and support .

[ICANHASMUNY?]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

My son who YEARS ago had fear of flying....the doctors had to render a prescript to aide when it was necesary to travel cross country. To this day He cares not to fly....Be they adult or children it best to broach it PRIOR to that moment and work from there. I am in the minority in parenting 101 when it comes to children...I neither "handle" them in a harmful way or Tie them down to get them to abide. Somehow the tone, and way of enforcing proper manners can allow them assurance that as a parent they are their to protect and support .

 

 

disagree on one point

 

Kids are used to being confined and strapped in these days.

 

The mother is a peditrican & I doubt that she doesn't use car seats.

 

and

 

 

they were probably flying back home from a vacation

 

God knows, it could be the same captain that flew them there for vacation,

 

and he wasn't going to deal with it a second time.

 

 

 

Agree whole heartedly with the proper tone on dealing with misbehaving children !

 

& she's probably wondering why she can deal with other folks kids everyday, but her own always misbehaves.

[Islandgal]

I was going to post that story earlier, but I knew you would do it. Seriously.

 

 

Get out of my brain! I want to know where they stayed to run up over $2K overnight accommodations....

[Labyrinthine]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

[LBCS]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

 

Yup. Besides, it's not like staying an extra night in Turks and Caicos is a punishment.

[beli]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

Yup, I think we've all been on flights where kids/babies were crying the whole time. I knew parents that would give their kids bendryl to knock them out for the flight.

[Islandgal]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

 

Yup. Besides, it's not like staying an extra night in Turks and Caicos is a punishment.

 

Kinda..if you are using an American carrier...Jetblue booted them off the flight...and Jetblue only run 2 flights a week from that Island to Boston...Wed and Sat..so they would have had to scramble to buy last min tickets on another carrier...that would have been the bulk of the $2K they had to spend..

Jetblue are gangsta ...they left them stranded there..

Edited March 10, 2012 by Islandgal

[Islandgal]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

Yup, I think we've all been on flights where kids/babies were crying the whole time. I knew parents that would give their kids bendryl to knock them out for the flight.

 

the mother is a pediatrician, it is not like she would not have known this..

[LBCS]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

 

Yup. Besides, it's not like staying an extra night in Turks and Caicos is a punishment.

 

Kinda..if you are using an American carrier...Jetblue booted them off the flight...and Jetblue only run 2 flights a week from that Island to Boston...Wed and Sat..so they would have had to scramble to buy last min tickets on another carrier...that would have been the bulk of the $2K they had to spend..

Jetblue are gangsta ...they left them stranded there..

 

Well, maybe next time she will invest in some benadryl :-)

[Islandgal]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

 

Uh. No. Airlines do not need to give the family time to calm the kid down. That delays my flight and that isn't going to go over well. If I can't wildly wail and throw fits disrupting the entire cabin and posing a risk to myself and others, neither can a parent let their toddler do so. As for offering another flight out, why should the airline be responsible for this?

 

I get that a 2 year old is going to do what a 2 year old does. So, if you are incapable of controlling your kid, gtfo the plane and handle the repercussions yourself.

 

Yup. Besides, it's not like staying an extra night in Turks and Caicos is a punishment.

 

Kinda..if you are using an American carrier...Jetblue booted them off the flight...and Jetblue only run 2 flights a week from that Island to Boston...Wed and Sat..so they would have had to scramble to buy last min tickets on another carrier...that would have been the bulk of the $2K they had to spend..

Jetblue are gangsta ...they left them stranded there..

 

Well, maybe next time she will invest in some benadryl :-)

 

In hindsight, it would have been cheaper..

[baby duck]

Maybe. Except Benadryl doesn't knock my kids out. Of course, I also don't fly with kids. Heck, my dad's a pilot, and they still haven't even gone up with him.

[giraffy]

Maybe. Except Benadryl doesn't knock my kids out. Of course, I also don't fly with kids. Heck, my dad's a pilot, and they still haven't even gone up with him.

That's also true. Benadryl makes my oldest MORE wired. I never tried it after that.

 

Ps, I DO fly with my kids, and maaaaaybe I'm really lucky, but we've managed to never have a problem. They listen pretty well when threatened.

Edited March 11, 2012 by giraffy

[LogicalNoMore]

Kids are NOT accustomed to Flight travel and being confined in such a manner. I totally get it from "THAT" perspective. As a parent that is a nightmare to appease at times.

 

As for the airlines, indeed they have a right to approach the family and give them a brief amount of time to settle the children or offer another flight out. There may have been reasons for the childs discomfort other then a simple tantrum.

 

My son who YEARS ago had fear of flying....the doctors had to render a prescript to aide when it was necesary to travel cross country. To this day He cares not to fly....Be they adult or children it best to broach it PRIOR to that moment and work from there. I am in the minority in parenting 101 when it comes to children...I neither "handle" them in a harmful way or Tie them down to get them to abide. Somehow the tone, and way of enforcing proper manners can allow them assurance that as a parent they are their to protect and support .

 

 

 

disagree on one point

 

Kids are used to being confined and strapped in these days.

 

The mother is a peditrican & I doubt that she doesn't use car seats.

 

and

 

 

they were probably flying back home from a vacation

 

God knows, it could be the same captain that flew them there for vacation,

 

and he wasn't going to deal with it a second time.

 

 

 

Agree whole heartedly with the proper tone on dealing with misbehaving children !

 

& she's probably wondering why she can deal with other folks kids everyday, but her own always misbehaves.

 

To a certain extent children are used to car seats,What fails to be recognized is that on a plane there are far more distractions unlike a smaller area as ones own car with people they know. So factor in- strangers, noises they are not used to and the commotion and you are bound to have a child who becomes anxious. So basically there are external factors that can contribute to a childs' "tantrum" style behavior. As to the mothers "profession", She is still a Mom and no matter what its different to calm ones own then a strangers kid.

We do not know for a fact that this child "always" misbehaves, we only know that during this particular incident they were asked to be removed due to the delay it was having on their flight schedule.

 

My son at that age was very much an introvert and didnt care for strangers or certain "static" outside noises...He would be freighten'd by unfamiliar noises...Cars honking, fire engines...He was sensitive to sounds and external commotion. He would eventually outgrow this but during this "stage" He would appear to others as throwing a tantrum...It was his only way to communicate...Luckily the doctor we had understood and created a regime that de-sensitized him to the environment....SO unfamiliar sounds/lights/smells can be troubling to a child. They don't have the "reasoning" to correlate a flight engine sound with "we are taking off into the sky and I must be still".

 

Because we live in an Adult world where children are "programmed" to conform , we forget that this is ALL new to them ...even if they flew before they are not cognizant the next time that certain ways are to be abided by.

I am not siding with a parent nor am I disagreeing with the airlines in how it was handled. Its simply important to differentiate and understand the environment in which this matter happened.

[giraffy]

 

You're using a lot of words.

 

Yeah, flying might be new to a kid. But behaving appropriately and listening to parental instructions should not be.

[Labyrinthine]

Sorry, but everything you just said is an excuse for a parent not to control little Johnny who is so precious and unique and no one understands his special unique challenges.

 

Rest assured that I was never allowed to throw fits in public. I got scared as a kid too but I knew better. And when I did try to act like a heathen, my mother dropped everything either put the fear of God into me to get me to be more afraid of the punishment than anything else...or she removed me from the situation. It only took a look and a quiet word and I shut.the.hell.up. That is what a parent does. This is how a parent teaches their child to cope in a world where we all want to throw tantrums sometimes but we don't.

 

I don't expect kids to act like adults. I expect adults to act like adults and keep your child under control or keep them somewhere far from me.

[Islandgal]

I've been on flights where parents thought it was cute for the kid to running and up down the aisle I think they got the message, when we unexpectedly hit a an air pocket, and the kid went flying and ended up with a big knot in it's head..

 

I never got to throw a tantrum as a kid, I got the 'eye'..I knew not to proceed from there..

[Labyrinthine]

Is it wrong that I laughed really hard at the idea of a kid flying up as the plane hit an air pocket?

 

 

Because that might have just made my whole day.

[beli]

Is it wrong that I laughed really hard at the idea of a kid flying up as the plane hit an air pocket?

 

 

Because that might have just made my whole day.

Nope because if it was then I'm right there with ya.. I laughed at the idea too.

[TheBanker]

The airline handled this horribly.

 

.......... they should have kicked the kids and parents off of the plane at 35,000 feet...

 

In reality, however... good for JetBlue. There's many times I've been on a flight with a horribly behaving little blue shirt spawn that makes me want to grab the kid, and then proceed to beat the parents to death using their own misbehaving little POS.

Edited March 12, 2012 by TheBanker

[baby duck]

Maybe. Except Benadryl doesn't knock my kids out. Of course, I also don't fly with kids. Heck, my dad's a pilot, and they still haven't even gone up with him.

That's also true. Benadryl makes my oldest MORE wired. I never tried it after that.

 

Ps, I DO fly with my kids, and maaaaaybe I'm really lucky, but we've managed to never have a problem. They listen pretty well when threatened.

 

Nah, not luck. Good training. But no matter how much training oldest has had, if she has a full blown anxiety attack in the air, no side eye is gonna stop her. Hence, we don't fly. I'd go up with the boy, but the girl is unpredictable and when she flips out, she sounds like she is in a horror movie with demons chasing her.